Kaizero

Removed the middle option as it wasn't really a part of my initial question thought process.

Well, yes. That's not exactly the question though. The question is that if in the future, you'd look back at this chain of events, would you find it had been worth it for improvement on and off the pitch. Or would you still look back in anger at changes? Also the main question was more about the name than the kit, mind. Should've specified that a bit better. For the record, I'd not want any changes either. NUFC or bust.

I'm just curious as to where the opinion of the Newcastle fan base on N-O lie in regards to a hypothetical situation. Been thinking a bit today about what would happen if we were bought by a major franchise, say Red Bull, who have been rumoured to be interested in buying a PL club and have a previous record of rebranding clubs they aquire. Would you have openly supported a sacrifice of tradition in exchange for outright ambition and investment? In this scenario (with the use of pretend hindsight, we know this happens in this scenario) Red Bull buys Newcastle and changes the name from NUFC to Newcastle Red Bulls. They sack Pardew and appoint a quality manager (maybe even bring Keegan back) and back him with tons of money, stating the ambition is to be a CL challenger and a title challenger in due time. After a few years of investment and such they reach the goal, and we're a title challenger on a regular basis once more and reignate the nickname of "The Entertainers" with the brand of football played. Looking back, would you have thought the exchange of the NUFC name for a brand name would've been worth it? Would you rather keep the traditions of the club or have the club achieve quick success? Basically, what's most important to you in supporting this club?

"Pardew and his management team remain big admirers of Ameobi for his work both on and off the pitch" tells you all you need to know about "Pardew and his management team." Going by some reports it's only Shola's presence that's stopping Pardew getting his head kicked in by the other players, no wonder he likes having him around. Was just about to say. Damn Shola and putting the Frenh in headlocks.

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I don't like it when a european final is between two teams from the same league. For that reason I want an Atletico - Bayern final, and Atletico winning.

Got some Borat flashbacks "Follow me. I like-a you. Do you like-a me?" So dreamy though

Might have blinkers on but wouldn't want Moyes. Not because he didn't do well at Everton, but because of the complaints (albeit complaints reported by the media, so who knows) coming out of the Man Utd camp about his behaviour and unwillingness to listen to players/others, rather citing his Everton players as examples of how things should be done.

They can't sack him until the NY stock market closes. If he's not sacked until it opens again he won't be sacked this time either.

Rosenborg decides to fuck me as well. What an absolute megacunt of a betting day.

The frustrating part is that stabæk deserved to win and Odd getting two lucky goals, one an own goal. Fuck my life. Luck gone and everything is bad forever.

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I am not enjoying this. I need to stop betting big.

Furrrrkkkk

Don't have time to go too in depth, might do one later. Still: Most favourites should win, though I'd probably stay away from all but three matches as it's still early days in the season and the good/bad teams haven't settled in yet. A lot of jostling for position. Aalesund, Vålerenga, Strømsgodset, Molde and Rosenborg should on paper all win. Only the latter three I'd be confident betting on. Rosenborg have a 1-2-0 in their first three and haven't really inpressed offensively, but it's a matter of time until they find last years rythm. Bodø/Glimt are newly promoted and have deceptively good odds against Rosenborg, even at home. Rosenborg should win, I even have a cheeky -1 bet on them. Strømsgodset and Molde are the other league favourites and they're playing well and are in good shape. Rather safe bets. Aalesund and Vålerenga are better than their opponents on paper but haven't yet preformed well this season, and as they're expected mid-table these are the kind of matches they may fuck up, even at those low odds. The other three matches: Brann - Lillestrøm, Viking - Haugensund and Odd - Stabæk are harder to call. Brann have played some amazingly attacking footy in their three first matches, yet constantly fail. Up against a team like Lillestrøm who basically just go from either winning well or being raped it's hard to know which team will show up for them. Viking - Haugesund is a weird one as well. Haugesund finished third last year and haven't lost players, Viking are a good side and have added a good forward. It could go either way. Odd - Stabæk, ya'll know how I feel about this one. Stabæk are criminally underrated having watched them in pre-season and in the first three matches of this one. Odd are a mid-table side with one good player, however that player, a 40 year old Frode Johnsen, is a matchwinner and candidate for Tippeliga top scorer this year. At the odds Stabæk has though, one would be silly not to put a quid or two on just in case.

Can't disagree with that considering the stuff he's done this season, but under other managers he was never a cowardly player. Under Mourinho he's already picked up two reds, dived for a penalty and now elbowed someone. If you're going to tell me he's done this before then I'll gladly accept evidence. You can never disagrer with The Butcher of Ålgård, man. Especially on hardness. You go, Butcher of Ålgård.

Think Cardiff will stay up now, playing well and confidence growing. Will rape us.

£1300-ish up from just Stabæk bets so far. 2-0-1 this season. Perenially sentenced to certain relegation by "experts", Bob Bradley on the sidelines and good winter signings, they're not going down this season. Top half easily. That said, if I hadn't had such a big kitty from them I'd not have spunked the same amount. Odd are very good at drawing matches.

Deceptively good odds on Stabæk. 7.25.... http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130502190021/vampirediaries/images/0/00/Eyebrow_raise_community.gif ..... £125 FOR £906! http://media1.giphy.com/media/8fn9oF6IPZoEE/giphy.gif

I'm baffled about them always talking about it and it always being in the media. Also what's up with the "Justice for the 96" instead of "R.I.P to the 96"?, particularly around the anniversary. It's because the people of Liverpool have been campaigning for justice, in light of the injustice carried out by South Yorkshire police that day. It's in the media a lot, because 96 fans of the most successful club in English football, from one of the main cultural heartlands of the country died in a terrible crush. A crush which could have happened to any club at any time, and many fans around the time can tell story's of near misses. It has defined and shaped the culture of a major city and perhaps the rest of the country. An entire city no longer buys the largest selling newspaper. It's a campaign that has been backed by celebrities. On top of the large scale of death a light has been shown on to terrible police standards, corruption and collusion between the police, media and possibly even the government of the time. There is a time and place for the justice part, at a time when you should be remembering them at an anniversary shouldn't it be time to reflect on the fact that 96 people lost their lives and not the circumstances around it? How often do you see families of the Valley parade disaster asking for justice? There was just as many mistakes and different authorities to blame there for the people who died then as there is for Hillsbrough. Was there bollocks. Hillsborough and the injustice of it all will be traced right up to Thatcher's door. To think for a good 20 years it was pushed about that the whole disaster was down to Liverpool's supporters because of the Government of the day, South Yorkshire police and that Tory MP whose name I cannot recall is frankly disgusting. There was a cover up, no one can deny that but to say it went all the way up to Thatchers door and the whole of South Yorkshire police were involved, and also that it was the only reason why the disaster happened is wrong. Only a hand few of police officers will know what was happening at the time, other police officers around the ground will not know exactly what went on and will only being going by the accounts of those who were initially close to the Leppings end who were forced by those above them to alter their initial accounts. Anyone outside of these police officers will only know what happened by 'official' (I use the term official loosely) accounts, this includes MP's and Thatcher, what Irvine Patnick said to Thatcher and the press was wrong, no one can deny that. Even though cover up of the police's role in the disaster is disgusting there was other factors that equally contributed to it happening, this often gets forgotten about. My initial post was trying to get the point across that Liverpool fans seem to spent a lot of time focused on why 96 people died and not the actual fact that 96 people died. I used the Valley Parade disaster as comparison because although there was no cover up to explain why the disaster happened like Hillsborough a lot of things in the build up happened that should have happened which led to the disaster. For one the stand had already been condemned as unsafe (Bradford were actually pulling the stand down at the end of the season). There was no fire extinguishers around when there should have been. The rubbish beneath the stand should not have been allowed to build up and there had been reportedly been concerns of it being a fire risk raised previously. Lastly the turnstile exits had been locked shut, meaning fans had to go onto the pitch to escape when in a lot of cases using the exits would have been quicker. You can argue that the Bradford fans have also never found justice (I don't think you can ever really find justice in these types of circumstances) as no one has actually been held acceptable for these failings which lead to the disaster. Just two completely different scenarios, man. I generally hate Liverpool fans for their tendency to wallow in self pity, but the Hillsborough incident goes beyond that. The victims were painted as the villains in an incident that many foresaw and should've been avoided.

True, we should stick with the players we know are s*** instead of trying new ones who might be. My point was scoring goals in that league is not proof of being a good player. Ignoring his goals, he may still be playing well. He could come back here and play well. Ffs, he can't do any better! I f***ing hate that argument. What's the point in sending him then? What is so hard to understand with what I have said? He was sent to Greece to play regular football. He wasn't sent to Greece to score goals to earn a place in the NUFC team on his return. He could score a shed load of goals in Greece. That does not mean he will be great in the Premiership. It also doesn't mean he definitely won't be great in the Premiership. He may be a very good midfielder. The point is a lot of very mediocre players score plenty of goals in Greece. The point of loans (in theory, we suck at loans) is for the player to play at a level where they can succeed and better themselves, and then come back and either be loaned out to a higher level, play a part in the first team of their club or be seen as having made too little progress and be bumped off. Abeid have done very well in Greece, which is a league of a similar quality to the Dutch league for instance. Many players make the step up from those leagues to the bigger ones, and many fail. Abeid is at the level where he needs to either play a part for our team or just be sold to another team. He needs to be tried at the top level, and another loan won't do that, he'll just stagnate. Either he'll make it, or he won't, which he won't since upon return he'll be Pardewed all over again.

Nah, nah, no way they stay up. Nah, no way.

Crystal Palace on a roll, might still overtake us and push us out of the top ten.