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Ignacio is fairly prolific.

Kind of agree with your point, but wouldn't say that many are letting Butt and Duff off. Jonas being taken off on Saturday was booed, wasn't it? I think people have just accpeted that Butt and Duff are rubbish and past it. People have just moved on. Opinions are really still being formed on Jonas, Bassong, Guthrie, Xisco, Gonzalez, etc. When you have only seen someone play ten times (in your team's colors), one bad performance has much more of an effect on what you think about that player. It is natural. For example, I thought Duff and Ameobi played well Saturday and have been alright under Kinnear, however I know that these players are not good for us, so my opinion is not altered. However, I expected alot of Bassong and Gutierrez because of what I had seen them do in the past. And after both had impressive debuts for us, I was willing to build them up as pillars of this team down the line. However, after seeing their performances dip recently, someone like may come to the realisation that these player are good but not special. In retrospect, this has been a lot of typing to say nothing at all really. I regret responding to this post.

Maybe it's just his personality, but Jonas always looks uncomfortable. Even in the videos and pictures posted of him in public settings, but especially during matches. I think he is a good player, but as others said I do think he is a very good player, but I don't think he will do much if the defence is allowed to focus on him. He is not the type to carry a side.

What an idiotic red card!

Wiki says "yes" Alright, just never heard he was transferred. Zarate is good.

Is the Lichtsteinner on Lazio the one that used to play for Lille?

Really don't know why Dabo is employed at the top level of football...he is terrible.

Game is wide open.

OOO..Pandev....sitter!

FYP Edit: if Ledesma dont get a red card this game he should thank all gods possible And there he got it idiot Terrible tackle.

Lord, I thought Pandev's shot was in.

Spiteful. I wonder how many people watch one solitary Liverpool game then write of the Premiership as boring. Milan are a decent side this year as well, but still will not challenge Inter.

You're wrong about this. This was the main problem Chelsea fans had with him. In big matches, he always started Makalele, Ballack, and Lampard, which relegated Essien to right back and Obi to bench. Makalele filled in admirably during the ACN for them, but was clearly past it, and Lampard was off form. This was typified in the CL final when their best midfielder was playing right back even though there were other options and Makalele was done.

Basically, this discussion about Zayatte (who is average), just shows that people know the team still misses a strong physical defender who isn't spastic (Faye).

Well, I've gotten the chance to see the match now, and I have to say we should be glad we got a draw.The red card on Boyce was a terrible decision and frankly the turning point in a match in which we were being dominated. We did play well after that though, especially Oba and N'Zogbia. Besides his powerful finish, Martins also provided two fantastic chances for Owen. N'Zogbia was more dangerous in his time than Duff has been since he was at Chelsea. I have no idea why N'Zogbia isn't playing. Unless we want to lower his value before we sell him??

Chelsea's team is incredible. At some point it just comes down to the quality of the players. Lampard, Deco, Mikel, Essien, and Ballack does things that are midfielders could only dream of and do it with ridiculous ease. Seriously, just watch the interplay between the midfield three against these "physical, strong" English sides. They barely break a sweat. Playing pass and move football is one thing, but having the ability and the talent to make it successful is a totally different prospect.

By the way, I am stunned that Real Madrid has lost to Real Union and Vallalolid this week alone. Also very angry that Marseille managed to piss away a 2-0 lead and lose 3-2 against f****** Lorient of all teams. It's every year with these boys, looking like title contenders then screwing it all up.

You don't think Keegan would have amassed more than 1 point against Sunderland, Fulham and a ten-man Wigan? Gerraway man. No, I don't. That's the plain truth. Keegan was also guilty of losing winnable games and playing players that shouldn't have played etc. But since he's the messiah we're not allowed to criticise him, right? Get to f*** with that f***ing attitude man. Sick of reading that sort of s****. Are we not allowed to have a debate about Keegan with that same old line being shovelled? For what it's worth, i blame Keegan as much as i blame Ashley for the state we're in at the moment. Not that that's of any relevance to this particular discussion; i just feel more comfortable assuring you of that - so we can kick off the argument on an even keel. Anyhow, Keegan's tenure started absolutely s****... but such is the tenacity and ambition of the man was that he did something risky to change our fortunes. It was risky yet executed with absolute precision. I'm on about the formation change, obviously. In the space of two games, we went from being 4-4-2, slogging it out, no shape, no determination, no confidence, no nowt. No specific player roles, no corner routines, no set piece routines. No identification in terms of where to cross, when to cross, when wing-backs should push up, when wingers should drop deep, where strikers should be, etc etc. There was the Liverpool 0-3 at Anfield, then the transition at Birmingham, then the explosion of quality at Spurs. all of a sudden, we've got a dynamic strike-force, a combative and versatile midfield, and wing-backs that could attack and assist. Keegan started slowly but he had what it took to make a big decision and do it right. He had the motivation aswell, from kick-off n'all - not a half-time "you're all s***, get better". Keegan knew exactly what he was doing and we would not be down here if he was still manager. Well presumably if he was still manager, the fans wouldn't have protested, the owner wouldn't be selling, and we'd be excited at the best squad we've had for a few good years. Absolutely, mate. At the end of the day, there are just some things you can't explain. And the KK-Toon connection is one of those. It just clicks. There is something about putting Keegan in the hotseat that works at Newcastle, and you could see it at the back end of last season when we really shone. He gave them belief and instilled passion back into the side (Not like Kinnear at all, who instils a fear passion, forces the team to pull their finger out rather than them actually wanting to). Keegan loved the club, the players loved Keegan, therefore they would play for the club. You could see they were starting to enjoy football again, as were the fans. I can say with absolute certainty that with KK in charge, we wouldn't be where we are now. Then again, I can also say with absolute certainty that with another good manager in charge, we wouldn't be where we are now too. Yeah, Keegan's done a good job at Newcastle and all, but with any stability and a top level manager we'd be battling for position in the top half. If we were to go down, we would be challenging Zaragoza last year as one of the most talented teams to go down in Europen leagues. Aye i reckon so. Honestly I hope to my lord God that Zoggy is not played left back against Chelsea. I actaully like Zoggy as a player, and I think it might scar him for the rest of his career to be repeatedly raped by Joe Cole and Boswinga for the duration of 90 minutes.

You don't think Keegan would have amassed more than 1 point against Sunderland, Fulham and a ten-man Wigan? Gerraway man. No, I don't. That's the plain truth. Keegan was also guilty of losing winnable games and playing players that shouldn't have played etc. But since he's the messiah we're not allowed to criticise him, right? Get to f*** with that f***ing attitude man. Sick of reading that sort of s****. Are we not allowed to have a debate about Keegan with that same old line being shovelled? For what it's worth, i blame Keegan as much as i blame Ashley for the state we're in at the moment. Not that that's of any relevance to this particular discussion; i just feel more comfortable assuring you of that - so we can kick off the argument on an even keel. Anyhow, Keegan's tenure started absolutely s****... but such is the tenacity and ambition of the man was that he did something risky to change our fortunes. It was risky yet executed with absolute precision. I'm on about the formation change, obviously. In the space of two games, we went from being 4-4-2, slogging it out, no shape, no determination, no confidence, no nowt. No specific player roles, no corner routines, no set piece routines. No identification in terms of where to cross, when to cross, when wing-backs should push up, when wingers should drop deep, where strikers should be, etc etc. There was the Liverpool 0-3 at Anfield, then the transition at Birmingham, then the explosion of quality at Spurs. all of a sudden, we've got a dynamic strike-force, a combative and versatile midfield, and wing-backs that could attack and assist. Keegan started slowly but he had what it took to make a big decision and do it right. He had the motivation aswell, from kick-off n'all - not a half-time "you're all s***, get better". Keegan knew exactly what he was doing and we would not be down here if he was still manager. Well presumably if he was still manager, the fans wouldn't have protested, the owner wouldn't be selling, and we'd be excited at the best squad we've had for a few good years.

We've also allowed the third most goals in the league.

I must confess that I thought Michael Mancienne was white for about the last three years before seeing a photo of him on a news website about ten minutes ago.

Not the most flattering photo of Oba, Yorkie I couldn't find our match anywhere today, so I tuned into Arsenal-Villa instead. In all honesty, Villa were quite average...it certainly wasn't a defining performance, but Arsenal just weren't up to it at all. It was amazing how impotent they looked at times. Adebayor was at least direct when he came on, but him and Bendtner aren't players that are going to win you silverware imo. Honestly, Almunia kept them in the match. And that penalty that Fabregas gave away was just stupidity.

What has Owen done to deserve a call up exactly. He wasn't called up when he was in form, so why would he be called up now.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article3341861.ece There is a book on the subject, but I forgot who wrote it. edit: http://www.routledgesociology.com/books/British-Asians-and-Football-isbn9780415395007 Yeah, this is somethingyou always wonder just in general. I mean the poor kids in Mumbai love football just as much as the poor kids in Rio, Buenos Aires, Lagos, Abidjan, etc. Same with China. You'd think just with the sheer quantity of young kids playing football, that there would be some sucess...but this has not been the case. I remember some folks saying it's because they're less physical, but this is nonsense when you consider the best player in the world is 5'4".

British football should be ashamed by this.