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To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday. Nothing to do with the fact he failed a fitness test before the game but still player, the lazy c*** So he must have failed fitness tests in 70% of all his other games? Because he was his usual self.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday.

Yep, looks like thats the best we've got, imo. If only Owen or Oba were fit to play with Carroll!! Aye. Only things, I'd switch Jonas to the left, he's better there imo and can be more direct, Duff can comfortably play on the right aswell. And if Ryan Taylor can play, I'd have him in at RB instead of S Taylor.

He wanted out anyway, he's making the absolute most of that comment. It's just an excuse to leave quicker and to make himself look more innocent in this latest debacle. Yup. Dont think Kinnear meant anything.

I haven't thought of this, but it's certainly sounds like it's possible. Given's lawyers comments came out a day after Ashley announced it was off the market.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there. Yeah but as I said, that doesn't prove that Wise, if he was involved, was doing anything other than what he was employed to do. If that's the case he's done absolutely nothing wrong. With the "facts" we have I could just as easily say that Keegan knew the structure he'd be working under when he joined. No we dont know for absolute certain, and it dosent PROVE it. If that did happen but someone else was more involved than Wise, then they are disruptive, or should I say if they are doing what they are employed to do than the system sis disruptive. People believe more on the side of Keegan because he walked out on the grounds he claimed, that we have this system in place, and that most people wouldnt believe he'd accept a system where players are bought over him if true. No-ones saying for a fact what happened, they are just very suspicious and tend to believe KK, because he walked out, and has said why.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there.

I guess thats why they got Wise involved. Aye probably. I've got another suggestion, just let the god damn manager be the manager, using whichever funds he has at his disposal the way he see's fit. what if that manager wants to break world records on a small budget? Thats why I said whichever funds he has at his disposal. If the money's not there, its not there, let him 'wheel & deal' himself and mould the team in his style bit by bit, dont think Keegan would demand money that wasnt there/wasnt promised.

I guess thats why they got Wise involved. Aye probably. I've got another suggestion, just let the god damn manager be the manager, using whichever funds he has at his disposal the way he see's fit.

Not sure if my wording came across badly. I was standing up for Kevin there. Just drawing comparisons with the flack he gets against Ashley doing the same thing. Sorry aye, you we're bieng sarcastic aye?

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo.

Yet Mike Ashley gets some slack for also giving the fans "what they wanted". Keegan however walks out of EVERY job dropping the club/fans/country in the s***. Did he leave Man City in the shit? He 'left England in the shit', when if he'd stayed on, everyone would have been saying 'we're in the shit as long as he stays'?

rate solano higher than Keegan??? talking bollox as usual. Oh come on it was obviously a typo and Fredbob was referring to Solano over Beckham. You're just sidestepping the issue i accept, Sbr was a more accomplished manager, than KK, but taking age into account, and the fact keegan , had a better record here. Plus the fact, Keegan has at least one good job left in him. So your case rests on Bobbys age and your stupid idea that "Keegan has at least one good job left in him" A question for yourself. Who the f*** would ever hire Keegan again after yet another walk out? Yes he walked out after the plc at Newcastle, aside from Newcastle, You can hardly blame him for leaving Fulham & not only taking the England job, but taking it when everyone was begging him to. He 'walked out' on England when everyone wanted him to go, and when he held his hands up and said 'I'm not up to the job anymore', yes, he walked out, but take it in the context, everyone wanted him out man, he gave them his wish and was honest about his assesment. After 4 years at Man City he felt he couldnt take them further, felt the club needed a change (after getting promoted first time of asking, and establishing them in the Prem) and said he would not be signing another contract after the current one. So Man City felt it was best if he left early so they could plan ahead.

Something that never seemed to happen, for whatever reason. Maybe their ideas of the 'the right price' where too far apart, or maybe Keegan forgot about this principle and wanted Ashley to spend big straight away. Or perhaps he just wanted a left back. He did publicly state a left back was his top priority at the start of the summer. He walked becasue he couldnt get a left back? Potentially because he said he wanted to use the funds on a left back, maybe had an experienced player in mind (no sell on value), and Wise etc instead took the (cheaper & potentially more profitable) stance to get someone like Gonzarlez & Xisco?

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad.

I dont generally like the Director of football role at a football club, and the fact that Keegan left because a player was brought in without his consent, he claims, is enough for most people think he's probably a disruptive influence. And that would be the same whether it was Dennis Wise or whoever.

All that may be perfectly right but at the end of the day I still don't really know what he does for this club. It's a bit hard to praise him for sticking to his job when we don't fully understand what it is. By the same token it's even more harsh to criticise him for it. Not in the sense its something he could quite easily clear up himself. And prejudice the potential court case with Keegan? Wake up & be realistic man Isnt the court case about THEN? Why has that stopped him talking about NOW, the present? Because talking about now would suggest that what is happening now was always the plan in terms of people's roles within the recruitment team. Wouldnt the evidence & everything said back then cover that?

All that may be perfectly right but at the end of the day I still don't really know what he does for this club. It's a bit hard to praise him for sticking to his job when we don't fully understand what it is. By the same token it's even more harsh to criticise him for it. Not in the sense its something he could quite easily clear up himself. And prejudice the potential court case with Keegan? Wake up & be realistic man Isnt the court case about THEN? Why has that stopped him talking about NOW, the present?

All that may be perfectly right but at the end of the day I still don't really know what he does for this club. It's a bit hard to praise him for sticking to his job when we don't fully understand what it is. By the same token it's even more harsh to criticise him for it. Not in the sense that its something he's had more than enough to easily clear up himself.

And if his job is player recruitment, while some good players we're brought in, the squad was ultimately left under-strangth, lacking the full-backs & midfielder the team, and Keegan, was crying out for.

People suspect he is an interference with the first team, and dont agree with that - the suspicion has grown because of any lack of denial from Wise himself. That's a fair point; why hasn't Wise himself had anything to say on, well anything? If he's just a youth scout then fair enough, but why the fancy title, 'assisting the board' etc? All we've had are these anonymous statements which when compared to one another are as clear as mud. If he came out and said anything would people believe him? The possibility of a claim for constructive dismissal from Keegan probably plays some sort of part in the lack of comments on people's roles from the club tbh. Fair enough, as you say there would be many waiting to pounce on anything he said. But as I said before, if he's merely a glorified scout, what is there to be afraid of? If he and his team are responsible for the young players then nobody can find fault with that. If he and his team were responsible for bringing in the likes of Bassong and Jonas on the cheap then nobody can find fault with that. If they're keeping quiet because of the Keegan claim, what does that say to us lot? It suggests they have something to hide. Exacly, but as you say, the silence (aswell as Keegan walking) suggests he/the system is in the wrong. Why hasn't Keegan given any interviews? Because of potential legal reasons. He is not at the club, Wise IS, and while Wise cant comment on the past, he can talk about NOW.

People suspect he is an interference with the first team, and dont agree with that - the suspicion has grown because of any lack of denial from Wise himself. That's a fair point; why hasn't Wise himself had anything to say on, well anything? If he's just a youth scout then fair enough, but why the fancy title, 'assisting the board' etc? All we've had are these anonymous statements which when compared to one another are as clear as mud. If he came out and said anything would people believe him? The possibility of a claim for constructive dismissal from Keegan probably plays some sort of part in the lack of comments on people's roles from the club tbh. Fair enough, as you say there would be many waiting to pounce on anything he said. But as I said before, if he's merely a glorified scout, what is there to be afraid of? If he and his team are responsible for the young players then nobody can find fault with that. If he and his team were responsible for bringing in the likes of Bassong and Jonas on the cheap then nobody can find fault with that. If they're keeping quiet because of the Keegan claim, what does that say to us lot? It suggests they have something to hide. Exacly, but as you say, the silence (aswell as Keegan walking) suggests he/the system is in the wrong.

People suspect he is an interference with the first team, and dont agree with that - the suspicion has grown because of any lack of denial from Wise himself. That's a fair point; why hasn't Wise himself had anything to say on, well anything? If he's just a youth scout then fair enough, but why the fancy title, 'assisting the board' etc? All we've had are these anonymous statements which when compared to one another are as clear as mud. If he came out and said anything would people believe him? The possibility of a claim for constructive dismissal from Keegan probably plays some sort of part in the lack of comments on people's roles from the club tbh. No, not everyone would not believe him, but it would obviously help a lot just to hear from him, and a lot more people would potentially be more accepting of the role if it sounded ok about fair. So he dosent have to talk about the past, talk about now, this window, when the clubs off the market, we are potentially buying players again, he can confirm his role from this point onwards.

Eh? His job is defined as: Basically Ashley and the board didn't (and possibly still don't) have a scooby how to run a football club so they asked Wise to not advise them on footballing matters due to his experience in the game. This as it says above conducting their end of the transfer business and adding to the academy. The problem is defining how far those roles of "assisting" the board go. Does he go scouting? Does he sit on the negotiating table and most importantly does he work with or above the manager. Like you say, it's ambiguous but it's a starting point hence being "fairly clear" as a pose to being "crystal clear". Youve said it yourself, and showed why people are suspicious, its not clear enough is it (especially in amongst all the speculation)? Yes, he's an easy target for who he is. But what makes me angry is the fact his role has been described in such a way that it cover's a lot of potenial roles. It makes me angry that this system, i.e. him bieng involved in the first team, and potentially forcing players on the manager, has had a negative effect on a potential positive direction the club could have went under Keegan, and that a legend such as KK deserves much better. It is annoying that even now, amongst all the speculation, Wise has still not confirmed what his role is definetely about. That not only worries me in terms of the structure and the credibility ofi it, but the silence also feels like two fingers up at the fans.