timnufc22

Look at the Hull game, after the FACT statement, there was nothing at all the week leading up to the game, nothing. Nothing about plans to moving forward etc, the system etc.

He's a c**t. Just because he bigs us (the fans) up in the press doesn't mean his agenda is anything other than s*** stirring and feeding off scandal. And since when did NUSC become 'an official well run supporters club'?! I agree on some of the stuff he's wrote, especially the lack of communication, but other than anger and frustration he hasn't got any answers, same as most of the NUSC. I'm sick of hearing the same vague things from everyone about how we need to be 'treated with more respect' and all that bollocks. No regime in living memory has ever treated the fans with anything that could be called 'respect', especially not Freddy Shepherd... what we really mean is 'we'd like to be higher up the table please'. I wouldnt say its 'we'd like to be higher in the table', fans just want to see ambition surley. And no that does not mean spending loads & loads, yes the wages are acknowledged. I mean ambition by looking to get a better manager in - hearing Kinnear has been offered a contract worries people and dosent give the manager position much credibility if someone who has won 4 games is appointed. If Dennis Wise's role is nothing but helpful, surley there are good manager's who would want that? And talking about Wise, fans just want to know what specifically he does. Because they kinda have just seen a legend leave because of interference and Wise kinda has the title 'director of football'! Fans have just wanted the Chairman to communicate just thoughts on the football side, and his plans, his thinking.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain. so, to put pressure on him to make 10's of millions of pounds loss then, in a nutshell? you dont know no-one would come in with an offer which isnt a loss, if he dosent change his ways and the fans are still with total contempt than yes I'd like to see pressure on him to sell at a loss. know what you're saying but there is simply no chance in hell he's getting his money back, none as long as we stay up the strength of feeling toward him from the masses won't reach fever pitch imo, go down different story...just don't see what any protest is going to realistically achieve I think once media get hold of things, and the microscope is put firmly over certain area's, then the chances of a change are better. Like on skysports, its never mentioned; what is Dennis Wise's role, if they covered report of a protest (or constant protests) of people asking that, then it would be discussed in the media a lot more, and there would be a lot more pressure to explain things for example. Nothings for certain, and the chances of change arnt exactly stacked in our favour, but you've gotta at least try imo.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain. so, to put pressure on him to make 10's of millions of pounds loss then, in a nutshell? you dont know no-one would come in with an offer which isnt a loss, if he dosent change his ways and the fans are still with total contempt than yes I'd like to see pressure on him to sell at a loss.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain.

Agreed and that should be what is being said, I'm sure more would get involved if that was the case. I think the thinking is that most are against the whole structure, and who put the strucure in there in the first place? Ashley, so its Ashley out... But yes, I agree the sentiment about the structure should be forced home.

So it's not Ashley out, it might be worth getting that message across. It might be easier to get a dialogue going with the club if it didn’t come across as Ashley out. Yes fair point, its about the whole structure.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday. Nothing to do with the fact he failed a fitness test before the game but still player, the lazy c*** So he must have failed fitness tests in 70% of all his other games? Because he was his usual self.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday.

Yep, looks like thats the best we've got, imo. If only Owen or Oba were fit to play with Carroll!! Aye. Only things, I'd switch Jonas to the left, he's better there imo and can be more direct, Duff can comfortably play on the right aswell. And if Ryan Taylor can play, I'd have him in at RB instead of S Taylor.

He wanted out anyway, he's making the absolute most of that comment. It's just an excuse to leave quicker and to make himself look more innocent in this latest debacle. Yup. Dont think Kinnear meant anything.

I haven't thought of this, but it's certainly sounds like it's possible. Given's lawyers comments came out a day after Ashley announced it was off the market.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there. Yeah but as I said, that doesn't prove that Wise, if he was involved, was doing anything other than what he was employed to do. If that's the case he's done absolutely nothing wrong. With the "facts" we have I could just as easily say that Keegan knew the structure he'd be working under when he joined. No we dont know for absolute certain, and it dosent PROVE it. If that did happen but someone else was more involved than Wise, then they are disruptive, or should I say if they are doing what they are employed to do than the system sis disruptive. People believe more on the side of Keegan because he walked out on the grounds he claimed, that we have this system in place, and that most people wouldnt believe he'd accept a system where players are bought over him if true. No-ones saying for a fact what happened, they are just very suspicious and tend to believe KK, because he walked out, and has said why.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there.

I guess thats why they got Wise involved. Aye probably. I've got another suggestion, just let the god damn manager be the manager, using whichever funds he has at his disposal the way he see's fit. what if that manager wants to break world records on a small budget? Thats why I said whichever funds he has at his disposal. If the money's not there, its not there, let him 'wheel & deal' himself and mould the team in his style bit by bit, dont think Keegan would demand money that wasnt there/wasnt promised.

I guess thats why they got Wise involved. Aye probably. I've got another suggestion, just let the god damn manager be the manager, using whichever funds he has at his disposal the way he see's fit.

Not sure if my wording came across badly. I was standing up for Kevin there. Just drawing comparisons with the flack he gets against Ashley doing the same thing. Sorry aye, you we're bieng sarcastic aye?

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo.

Yet Mike Ashley gets some slack for also giving the fans "what they wanted". Keegan however walks out of EVERY job dropping the club/fans/country in the s***. Did he leave Man City in the shit? He 'left England in the shit', when if he'd stayed on, everyone would have been saying 'we're in the shit as long as he stays'?

rate solano higher than Keegan??? talking bollox as usual. Oh come on it was obviously a typo and Fredbob was referring to Solano over Beckham. You're just sidestepping the issue i accept, Sbr was a more accomplished manager, than KK, but taking age into account, and the fact keegan , had a better record here. Plus the fact, Keegan has at least one good job left in him. So your case rests on Bobbys age and your stupid idea that "Keegan has at least one good job left in him" A question for yourself. Who the f*** would ever hire Keegan again after yet another walk out? Yes he walked out after the plc at Newcastle, aside from Newcastle, You can hardly blame him for leaving Fulham & not only taking the England job, but taking it when everyone was begging him to. He 'walked out' on England when everyone wanted him to go, and when he held his hands up and said 'I'm not up to the job anymore', yes, he walked out, but take it in the context, everyone wanted him out man, he gave them his wish and was honest about his assesment. After 4 years at Man City he felt he couldnt take them further, felt the club needed a change (after getting promoted first time of asking, and establishing them in the Prem) and said he would not be signing another contract after the current one. So Man City felt it was best if he left early so they could plan ahead.

Something that never seemed to happen, for whatever reason. Maybe their ideas of the 'the right price' where too far apart, or maybe Keegan forgot about this principle and wanted Ashley to spend big straight away. Or perhaps he just wanted a left back. He did publicly state a left back was his top priority at the start of the summer. He walked becasue he couldnt get a left back? Potentially because he said he wanted to use the funds on a left back, maybe had an experienced player in mind (no sell on value), and Wise etc instead took the (cheaper & potentially more profitable) stance to get someone like Gonzarlez & Xisco?

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad.

I dont generally like the Director of football role at a football club, and the fact that Keegan left because a player was brought in without his consent, he claims, is enough for most people think he's probably a disruptive influence. And that would be the same whether it was Dennis Wise or whoever.