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Why dont we abondon the game? Just hand them a 2-0 win, to save the travel? Because Kinnear's hands are tied, and theres nothing more he can give because of injuries. So should we not wait until every player is back from injury before we take to the field again?

"My hands are tied theres nothing more I can do for them" What a bloody cop out, how weak is that? Only about THREE OF THE PLAYERS would be in the first eleven man!!! Why not have standards? Why not see it as a challenge to get the best out of the side who are down at the moment, build up confidence, show some faith in the likes of LuaLua, at least give him some confidence the media? "I cant do anything", well leave now then mate! If having injuries to 3 first team players, paralizes you from doing your job then might aswell quit then, because having 3 first team players injured is part of football!

dont give him your money, if everyone does that he'll be forced into either selling or pulling his finger out So what if he is skint? Then how are we going to buy and improve? Also, who would want to buy a club where there are no ticket sales, no merchandise being sold, no quality squad, no quality manager or coaching staff, etc? The most realistic solution is to weather the storm, and instead of pushing parts of the club apart we need to all pull together and gain some stability, financially, in a positional sense in the table and in a moral sense. how are we going to buy and improve with no funds for new players and joe fuckin kinnear managing the s**** we already have? if we stayed away and didnt buy merchandise it would be obvious that it was because of the ownership and prospective buyers would know that would soon change once they stepped in. i'm not suggesting we pull anything apart, i'm suggesting that if, come the summer, ashley appoints kinnear (which is bad enough in itself) AND continues with giving players like ameobi new contracts while not spending enough to keep us progressing, then we say right thats enough thanks mike, we've had it with you and we're gonna force you out. banners dont force out owners, losing money does, and fast. (disclaimer - no i dont have a better owner in mind) I agree.

No, I've seen enough, and wouldnt have any trust in future statements ( note not interviews) he ever released, I just want him gone asap.

The thing is, what is football about? Pride? Hope? The day when KK came back showed why I love football. The genuine buzz & excitemnet when I heard the words 'Keegans back', everyone's phone bieng blocked with all the networks down, unable to ring as if it was new year, and the buzz you could feel in the air. People complain about some bieng obsessed about the past, and I understand that view point, but if some people are 'obsessed' about the past, then sometimes they kinda have a right to be. Because the magic that was brought by KK returning is the unique part of football & what makes me obsessed with this crazy game. 'Yes, its not garanteed he'll do brilliant, but if he does...'. I know some people say Keegan coming back was a disaster waiting to happen, but imo, Ashley's regime/'structure' was a disaster waiting to happen whichever self respected manager came in. Keegan coming back for unfinished business and achieving the pinnical, potentially winning something under him - not only winning a trophy, but winning a trophy under a legend after waiting so long, is definetely what its about for me and something to strive for.

How was it a mistake if the owner was instead intend on getting the best of KK's qualities? It was a potential masterstroke imo to reviving the club if his true intentions wernt what they are.

Yup, such a superb player, we miss his qualities so much.

Its just another example of the pathetic, shambolic way the club is bieng run. This question would be rife in normal circumstances, but we're just 'used' to the non-communication.

Yes, he quit at a bad time. But its so sad the way he was completely messed about, and how Ashley has seemingly tarnished Keegan's reputation with some people seeing him as bieng a 'whatever'. Alex Ferguson & Arsene Wenger backed him up, he was beeing treated like a fool, it was humiliation. He was clearly told the Milner money would be invested in the team, and we'd no doubt be better for it. So he tells the fans the news about that. Then its quite simply not! How can he bang on & on about needing 2 full-backs and then the regime turn around and say 'na, here you go, no full-backs, the season has started; carry on in a forwardly motion'. He did not sign up for that! The set-up consisted of 'probably having to put up and be happy with a threadbare squad'. Why should he stay if he, rightly bloody so like any manager, cant feel comfortable working under pathetic conditions, he was left to hung out to dry man! He'd be bieng false, any manager would be humiliated and angry at the same treatment.

I think something should try & be arranged. In terms of the impact on players, I think that playing in front of less people would actually take some pressure off them.

Exactly, theyd understand the animosity towards ashley. Theres a difference between that & booing a player because he's not playing well/isnt a good player. Thats obviously going to have a negative effect. Any banners or chanting against the regime is different, and wouldnt.

Why is that the title? He isn't slamming them at all. He's critisizing the regime or Keegan surley? Which is a disgrace if he's critisizing Keegan the recruitment side - its Dennis Wise, and the regime that totally messed Keegan around.

Good post. However I doubt we'll be seeing any significant investment if at all on the playing side because Ashley simply isn't committed to the club. He's here to get his money back before leaving. By spending more of his money on players, he's only going to increase what he's owed back and thus the already difficult task of getting his money back. The reason why we haven't bought anyone is because the only money available to Kinnear is from any that comes in via player sales and that hasn't happened. He could salvage the club of course, but to do that would require commitment and doing away with the system he has in place, the people responsible for that, dispensing with Kinnear, replacing him with a good manager and backing that manager with cash. That just isn't going to happen. The club won't be turned around until he leaves and he ain't leaving until he gets his money back. Do you think he would consider a cut-price in the summer if most fans boycotted the games? (whether it'll happen is another thing obiously)

Wasn't Keegan his "advisor" ? No. Keegan needed his own advisors ffs!!! Plus I'm talking about someone who is not involved in the football, but rather in the running of the club. Think a football-clued up Chris Mort. The ED(F) & MD should cover this. Club statement at the time regarding Wise role, he is the man at boardroom level with the football nous. Chairman Chris Mort said: "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the Club as manager. "Two of the conclusions of our strategic review, since acquiring the Club, were that the Club would benefit from having a football person involved at Board level, which it has not had historically, and that further senior resources are needed for recruiting players of the highest quality from this country and further afield. "Dennis would like to move away from day-to-day football management to a Board role and, with his considerable energy and intelligence, we believe he will do very well in this new position. Why not simply a scout? And why couldnt Keegan simply have his own scouts?

So the regime consists of the manager having to remind and educate the board every month about the footballing situation at the club? What would have happened if Kinnear hadnt called that 'emergency meeting'? And yes ask wise & llambias why you dont have any cover for LB & RB and a top quality centre midfielder, its what Keegan was asking the morning after deadline day after bieng assured selling Milner would mean more quality coming in!

Interesting that he blames KK - but they weren't his players either (perhaps bar Guthrie) The real protagonist here, Wise remains free from criticism. He should carry the can. Exactly, and Llambias it seems. Joe, your complaining about the same thing Keegan was complaining about! Why isnt there a bloody minutes, hours & days clock on SSN since the last time Wise/Llambias & co actually said anything?? There should be massive questioning about them in the media etc.

At a time when we have threads accusing the players of not giving a s***, it does seem ironic that one is getting slated for doing exactly that. Is it not more of a confidence thing with Enrique though? In the same way that booing the players isnt going to help, demostrating as openley and aggresiveley isnt going to help imo.

Full article: Do you not want to ask Dennis about what happened then?

The general support during home matches needs to be better and so much less hostile towards the players. More bloody encouragement for a good pass etc. But chants about Ashley etc would not effect the players, and would not be a 'serious lack of support'. Its getting on players backs straight away for some poor passes for example, booing them etc, thats what causes problems and makes the players afraid of a mistake. There needs to be more encouragement. But singing about Ashley is not going to effect the players in that way, there's nothing wrong/no bad effect of having both.

exactly; it's his job to motivate the players and choose the right strategy and tactics for them to win games. Exactly, surley any top manager would see it as a challenge to overcome & get the best out of them, and build them up.

The hostile atmosphere towards our own players against West Ham was terrible imo, like the booing of Geremi. Although any chanting about Ashley etc can be seperated from that.

What do you suggest fans do? And don't f***ing say support the team, they do that anyway, without fail. Unless there wasn't over 30K at home to Hull or thousands at Ewood Park. I'm not in favour of protests, not the kind witnessed at home to Hull last year anyway. Not because I disagree or anything like that, I just find them pointless unless there is some consistency. But something needs done, something needs to happen and fast. If we rely on the owner and his merry men to do something about the state of affairs then we really are f***ed. Boycott? A properly arranged one, like I say make him lower any asking price.

Exactly. 'Keegans lost it' etc etc.

Lower the asking price?

What a bloody mess. Explain that one then! How is the manager saying about one of his players currently negotiating a move to Besiktas and then the player later to say 'I dont know anything about leaving, I dont want to leave'. Is this suddenly an acceptable way to run the club & treat the players??