timnufc22

Like I say, I understand the positives and concept of bringing someone like Mitchel in and Bunce, even if you think that a DoF should have final say over player recruitment isn't necessarily the point here. It's the fact they've clearly had no detailed discussion with Howe over what the boundaries will be with a new DoF and whether he'll be happy with that. When I say boundaries I mean final say on player recruitment. I understand different scenarios may come up in other areas but this is the main thing. Would Howe really have made those comments if the board had said to him categorically "we're bringing in a new DoF to replace Ashworth but you have total assurances that any player signed will only be with your explicit agreement"? The second thing is Bunce as director of performance. Have they really sat down with Howe and said along the lines of "We're bringing in a director of performance this summer who will primarily look at fitness; they will include giving suggestions around training levels and structure and making amended to this to minimise injuries, as well schedules around injury recovery"? It doesn't look like any of this was firmly drawn up and agreed, which to me is a mess and I don't know what they're playing at. It looks reckless to me and dare I say almost unprofessional. The point isn't about appointing Mitchell in principle, its about the way he's been appointed and the process.

It’s clear boundaries haven’t been ironed out by what he’s said and there’s nothing sensationalist about that obvious conclusion. For me, I’m surprised and concerned the club have appointment a DoF without ironing out these boundaries with the manager first. Seems messy and totally unnecessary. That should have been done in a concrete manner before any appointment was made and I don’t see how that’s hard to do. Surely a back & forth between Howe and the board around every possible scenario and who controls what and who has final say. Certainly for the first team, the manager should never have a player brought in without explicitly agreeing to them imo. If the whole set up was indeed sorted out thoroughly before the appointment and then Howe and Mitchell have since had three weeks or so since to catch up to establish this further, then I don’t see Howe saying what he’s said.

They’re absolutely lush, can’t believe anyone would complain about them.

Watkins playing on the shoulder. Gordon left, Saka right. Kane playing deeper (as he likes to do anyway) linking as a trio with Rice & Bellingham behind him. Football tries to minimise player attributes too much these days. Bellingham looks like an all-rounder, someone who can run, tackle and pass and time his moments in the box. Can I ask how the likes of Rob Lee and Gary Speed scored double figures from playing in CM? They weren't playing as a no10, yet somehow managed to do it. Kieron Dyer played CM and used his pace and athleticism to great effect there. I don't see why Bellingham cant pick his runs more while he has the strength and pace to hold his own further back. Kane then doesn't have to cover as much ground and we also have many goal threats on the pitch. Watkins will cause one CB a headache running in behind all the time and the other CB wont know whether to follow Kane deep or not. Either way we have fluidity and constant threat. If we stick to the current formation then replace TAA with Wharton and Foden with Gordon, or Eze.

Fair play you obviously see more of your team, what I would say is I’m not laughing at Ten Hag I’m sympathising with him. From what I could see there was more than Rashford & Sancho going through the motions, Casemiro to me was a disgrace when he literally let players waltz past him (Burnley at Old Trafford in the middle of the pitch) which was nothing to do with where he was playing and everything to do with lack of effort. Even Mainoo away to Palace for that first goal, he’s barley running when ‘chasing’ Olise, it’s ridiculous.

Agree, I can’t remember seeing a team so blatantly down tools and not play for a manager as much as last season with them. Obviously a cup final is different on the day (and I reckon the players probably thought he was leaving afterwards anyway). The players will be thinking not only do they not like him, clearly the board don’t like him either but couldn’t find a good replacement. They’ll sense that no confidence and walk over him even more. Could be wrong and I’m not saying the players are in the right, I think they’re a disgrace, I couldn’t believe what I was watching last season with them.

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This exactly. Yeah very said before, it’s so frustrating to see most teams playing what is perceived the only & ‘right’ way to play. Shooting outside the box is now looked down upon through snobby eyes. How many Laurent Robert’s have fell by the wayside because they’ve had their talent drilled out of them? Rooney made a good point about playing two strikers - when Iceland are as deep as that, get some quality crosses in with two top strikers in the box. Unfortunately I think Gordon lacks the cutting edge quality coming in from the left when playing against teams sitting deep. His best position in such games on the right and I see him as Keith Gillespie v Barca out there. Once again, it seems like playing with traditional wingers who go down the outside is being ridiculously coached out of the game, but that doesn't stop such tactics being effective if actually implemented.

Was full-time after 1-1 with Arsenal, the game when Robert was sent off.

We literally finished top 4 in 2023. I know it’s a bloody tough task but, without going into detail, it is possible, I actually find the challenge an appealing one along with growing the club in clever ways. But if PIF had free reign to spend with no consequence, I think their wealth would blow others out the water. As much as they spend ridiculous amounts, I don’t think Man Utd, Arsenal & Liverpool owners would be happy to write off the losses PIF would, or Man City. The last point is, it’s 100% soulless. Football has been impure for a long, long time I know, but I’d try and carry on with at least some redeeming factors attached and die on that hill come what may, than to hand over all sense of achievement.

ffs I really hope fans draw a line in the sand and have the gumption to say they disagree with our owners and while ffp should be modified, we don't want to play a 'virtual reality' game of championship manager where everything basically becomes hollow, where winning because we happen to be owned by PIF as opposed to winning because we've grown the academy, made astute signs & judgement, showed loyalty to the right manager(s), garnered the right atmosphere at SJP etc.

Exactly. People compare that scenario with what we have now, with the gap between the 'big 6' and others... but we're talking about a scenario of owners with billions upon billions putting in whatever they like, with zero concern over any financial 'loss'. It may be difficult to breach the top 4 (what did we do last season again?) as things currently stand and growing the finances may be a long and arduous road ahead (and yes adjustments need to be made to ffp), but its not impossible as some may think. Whereas it absolutely is impossible for the vast majority to compete with owners who have billions upon billions to spend with effectively no limit. I don't see how any club could compete with Man City & us if we were given carte blanche to spend whatever we want. At some point, the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool would have to reign in spending if it went tits up. We'd just keep spending until we get it right and keep spending to solidify. The whole thing then becomes worthless, may as well get out the old championship manager game, change the stats and play that instead.

I really wish our owners would rise above this sort of stuff and publicly back sensible rules around spending. It's embarrassing if we're seen to be one of the clubs supporting man city in this.

Yep, they can’t muster a proper celebration during trophy parades and when winning the PL doesn’t bring excitement or pride, you know something is deeply wrong and the whole thing is unnatural.

And you see this as a good thing? Man City have no soul and their success is underpinned by luck of simply landing - completely out the blue - the richest owners. Nothing to do with building their success and building their revenue as a result. Spending crazy money under our new owners like City did pre FFP holds no appeal to me and I assure you the novelty will wear off.

The way Klopp & Arteta behave, such as Arteta's disingenuous speech (and the clubs subsequent statement) after our defeat, actually undermines the game imo and seeing either of those lift the title this year would have been bad for game, just in a different way imo. Their lack of class, humility & maturity is actually off the scale and for Arsenal to be putting out that statement talking about an investigation (or something along those lines) was a disgrace and didn't get the backlash it deserved, because throwing the toys out the pram with the mentality of a 10 year old is creeping in to be the norm. It prevents progress of the games around refereeing quality, encourages further over-analysis with refs second guessing everything and the authorities getting tied up in trying to respond to and resolve the disingenuous hysteria. I do agree with what you've said about Man City in general though. It is why I would hate for us to spend/grow the club like they did before FFP; it's soulless and genuine sporting achievement is replaced by the luck of being taken over by the person who has the most money. Obviously that's over simplifying but you get the gist. I know everyone hates FFP and granted it supports the big 6 but there has to be some kind of regulation in place. Having said that, I do think when Pep leaves it will effect them and there's a decent chance they will drop off some levels and maybe not be this runaway train.

Like I’ve said in another post, I don’t think we need to sign a major RW especially if Mineth comes back, with Murphy, Minteh & Gordon we have enough there. It’s primarily a LW I’d be signing.

Completely agree. It’s an unpopular view, but for me Barnes is a better LW. I genuinely think he potentially has elite level quality in the final third and he’d be nailed to start there next season for me. With Gordon right wing and Minteh to compete I don’t think we necessarily need a major signing in those positions. A new body yes, I don’t think we need to spend most of the budget there (I’d be selling Almiron & potentially Murphy).

But it would serve the whole purpose of the rule on a logical level. We can generally agree that scoring a goal after your nipple is ahead of the last defender is not an unfair advantage. Scoring a goal while being 5 yards ahead of the last defender is an unfair advantage. There has to be a middle ground so that the whole purpose of the offside rule is actually implemented.

Here here regarding Arsenal & Arteta. Always liked them until he rocked up and their fans pathetic reaction to our game and some of the earlier AFTV reactions. Not necessarily regarding Wenger, I think the Arsenal fans got a raw deal out of the press for wanting a change when the club clearly needed to try a different direction. But would find it hard to watch the utterly arrogant and child-like Arteta and some of their entitled fans celebrating a league win. On another note, Ange Postecoglu has very quickly went down the wanker road in recent times it seems... giving unnecessarily snappy answers to interveiwers and before this Man City game getting all agitated at questions about the potential atmosphere and strange situation the fans find themselves in of wanting their team to win but then handing the title to their rivals. I mean, why is that such an offensive concept?? How can you not understand the basic nature of football rivalry especially after managing in Scotland... Why is he pretending to find it impossible to compute that its looked upon as a one-off situation? And now he's saying its been a strange 48 hours inside and outside the club, giving it the billy big bollocks about how he's here to win and as far as I can see hinting that 'clearly no-one else has my winner mentality' shite. Its so easy to trope out that crap and go down that road in such a situation and he hasn't got the balls to elaborate and what the actual fuck he's talking about. Sorry but it irrates me when managers use situations to give it the big'un and present themselves as some mentality monster who are the victim of those around him. It may be the case on some occasions, but it seems to be he's using a unique situation to play that particlar card, which everyone seems to lap up 'because its Spurs' (Conte's fake 'rant' last season was nothing more than a resignation letter without having the dignity of giving up us pay-packet). Whatever faults he may have, I've so glad we have Howe as manager and don't have to deal with the bullshit, baggage and almost narcissism at times so many other managers bring.

Are there any grey trims?

Those Man Utd players have downed tools, I can't be convinced otherwise. The effort/passion etc stuff can be a cliched thing in football, but here they're almost throwing their games.

How's that NFL money working out for Spurs?

Gonna throw this out there: _____________________________________ISAK_______________________________________ --------------------------------Evan Ferguson--------------------------------- BARNES________________________________________________________________GORDON Mbeumo----------------------------------------------------------------Minteh __________________JOELINTON_______BRUNO______TONALI________________________ -----------------Anderson---------Gilmore-------Miley/Longstaff--------------- HALL_________________________SHAR____________?_________________________TRIPPIER Kelly------------------------Burn-------------Krafth------------------Livramento _____________________________________POPE________________________________________ --------------------------------------?-------------------------------------------- To come back into squad: Botman, Lascelles Possible sales: Dubravka, Targett, Dummett, Ritchie, Wilock, Almiron, Murphy, Wilson

Billy Gilmour? Could he slot into our midfield as a 6 or 8? Looks to be a clever player, good passer who can read the game. I can also see why Billing has attracted attention. Has Evan Ferguson's stock fallen enough to get him for a not-so-outrages price to replace Wilson? He still has immense potential. If Mintah has been as good as reported, I'd have him and Gordon for RW positions and buy a new LW to compete with Barnes. Gordon can always play left as well, but for me Barnes must start on the left. More often than not his quality will deliver a goal or assist if we get him in the right positions. He's high quality. Gordon's directness and running is just as good on the right, going inside - but also outside just as much. We need to sell Almiron and replace him with another left footed winger imo but someone who can also go on the outside. We need that variation, granted so many are inverted these days. I'd still be playing Barnes, Isak, Gordon from the start though. We need a quality CB to play from the start. Maybe a starting LB but I do love Hall, he's top quality and could even be mature enough to start a lot of the games. Need to replace Dubravka.