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Ashley out

That!

fucking c'mon fulham!!!! cant let these smb's win tonight.

agreed

95/96 says it all really. But we were a post away from winning the Cup, imo, Vs Arsenal. If Shearer's shot had gone in then who knows..... The Sporting game has to be the lowest I've ever felt about anything. Ever. I think I cried myself to sleep that night...

If Butt's on the pitch we'll struggle. Aye probably. But he's due a good performance so hopefully this will be it.

Look at David Moyes- He's spent something like £30m in his whole 7 years at Everton- and look where hes got them in recent years! Not as good as us at our peak but very well. Look at Aston Villa of today- Randy Lerner is hardly gambling the clubs future yet there 4th and are title contenders (OK, it probably wont happen). Gambling on a football clubs future (especially clubs like NUFC and Leeds) is crazy, imo. At the end of the day you'll be found out and it will all end in tears, even if you did enjoy a brief spell of success. Look at Arsenal and Man Utd- They've spent big in recent years but they've also had a fantastic club structure thats allowed them to do this (i.e Sensible board, great managers, fantastic youth systems etc). They havnt done 'a Chelsea' on it and bought the league, they've actually built their teams around youth and experience. Good club management (from board to manager) has kept them their....thats something we missed- a good club structure. We had a fantastic manager in SBR but he didnt have the right foundations around him in terms of personel. When he first arrived at the club we were training in a local park, ffs!

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress You picked the wrong post to belittle NE5, after all he did name 5 other managers which make his point. Gullit left his team as FA Cup winners, in the top 3 in the league, and still in the European Cup. Even the scottish fuckwit had won the FA Cup and the League Cup. Allardyce was widely regarded as one of the most potentially up and coming managers, ready for the big job and a possible future England manager. Ignore this in the usual way though, if you don't then I'm sure others will. Dalglish was the most outstanding name of his ludicrous list and I picked it for that reason, I'm sure others will realise that. Feel free to tell me what I say is incorrect if it doesn't suit your opinion. I did have Dalglish's success in the back of my mind but he did anything but take us forward did he? Yes, we were a post away of winning the Cup with him, but other than that it was nowt but mid-table mediocrity. Shepherd played his part in that as well.... Guillit a "world class" manager? Do you honestly think he was "world class", ffs? If he was that good then why the f*ck did he undermine the biggest derby in England and drop our two best players? Would a "world class" manager try to sell Alan Shearer? Exactly! Look at all the shyte Guillit bought. F*cking awful. Allardyce's run was come to quite a hault by the time he left Bolton. And the way he went about his business at SJP really showed his true colors. Thank f*ck he didnt get that England job... #So what is your criteria for appointing managers ? Those who have won trophies, or those who have not ? Or is it just hindsight ? Preferably those who've won trophies. I admit Dalglish would be in that catagory but I guess it was one of those cases where it just didnt work out for him. But why us? Why didnt it? Was he allowed to do his job properly?.... But the only reason Sam was brought in was because Fred knew there was f*ck all to spend and Sam had been renound for working on a shoestring budget. Thats the only reason, imo, that he was brought in- because Shepherd knew the ship at NUFC was sinking. Why employ a manager of a team that were currently BOTTOM of the league? Souness was and always will be a shyte manager. I think everyone knew Souness was around a 4th choice appointment. If the old board had any sense then they would've 'relieved' SBR of his duties at the end of the 04/05 season and appointed someone like Houllier or Ranieri who had just been let go by their clubs. Its simple planning that make all the difference. I don't agree that it is "planning" or "timing", I think its just getting the right manager, of which only 3 can win a trophy per season, and appointing them is a lottery most of the time. Alex Ferguson and Arsene wenger were both appointed by their respective clubs during the season by the way, to emphasise its the choice that matters and not the timing. Agree about Souness, but quite a lot of people thought he would succeed and backed his buying and selling accordingly. OK, fair points. But it would've made much more sense to get a manager (a quality one) in as the summer started, so he could get his own staff in, get the squad he wanted, and build from there. Souness' CV hardly set the world alight did it? Neither did Roeders or Allardcyes.... Shepherd didnt plan and it cost him. He took us from title contenders and a top 4 side, to a side finishing 13th and 14th.

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress You picked the wrong post to belittle NE5, after all he did name 5 other managers which make his point. Gullit left his team as FA Cup winners, in the top 3 in the league, and still in the European Cup. Even the scottish fuckwit had won the FA Cup and the League Cup. Allardyce was widely regarded as one of the most potentially up and coming managers, ready for the big job and a possible future England manager. Ignore this in the usual way though, if you don't then I'm sure others will. Dalglish was the most outstanding name of his ludicrous list and I picked it for that reason, I'm sure others will realise that. Feel free to tell me what I say is incorrect if it doesn't suit your opinion. I did have Dalglish's success in the back of my mind but he did anything but take us forward did he? Yes, we were a post away of winning the Cup with him, but other than that it was nowt but mid-table mediocrity. Shepherd played his part in that as well.... Guillit a "world class" manager? Do you honestly think he was "world class", ffs? If he was that good then why the f*ck did he undermine the biggest derby in England and drop our two best players? Would a "world class" manager try to sell Alan Shearer? Exactly! Look at all the shyte Guillit bought. F*cking awful. Allardyce's run was come to quite a hault by the time he left Bolton. And the way he went about his business at SJP really showed his true colors. Thank f*ck he didnt get that England job... #So what is your criteria for appointing managers ? Those who have won trophies, or those who have not ? Or is it just hindsight ? Preferably those who've won trophies. I admit Dalglish would be in that catagory but I guess it was one of those cases where it just didnt work out for him. But why us? Why didnt it? Was he allowed to do his job properly?.... But the only reason Sam was brought in was because Fred knew there was f*ck all to spend and Sam had been renound for working on a shoestring budget. Thats the only reason, imo, that he was brought in- because Shepherd knew the ship at NUFC was sinking. Why employ a manager of a team that were currently BOTTOM of the league? Souness was and always will be a shyte manager. I think everyone knew Souness was around a 4th choice appointment. If the old board had any sense then they would've 'relieved' SBR of his duties at the end of the 04/05 season and appointed someone like Houllier or Ranieri who had just been let go by their clubs. Its simple planning that make all the difference. I don't agree that it is "planning" or "timing", I think its just getting the right manager, of which only 3 can win a trophy per season, and appointing them is a lottery most of the time. Alex Ferguson and Arsene wenger were both appointed by their respective clubs during the season by the way, to emphasise its the choice that matters and not the timing. Agree about Souness, but quite a lot of people thought he would succeed and backed his buying and selling accordingly. OK, fair points. But it would've made much more sense to get a manager (a quality one) in as the summer started, so he could get his own staff in, get the squad he wanted, and build from there. Souness' CV hardly set the world alight did it? Neither did Roeders or Allardcyes.... Shepherd didnt plan and it cost him. He took us from title contenders and a top 4 side, to a side finishing 13th and 14th.

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress You picked the wrong post to belittle NE5, after all he did name 5 other managers which make his point. Gullit left his team as FA Cup winners, in the top 3 in the league, and still in the European Cup. Even the scottish fuckwit had won the FA Cup and the League Cup. Allardyce was widely regarded as one of the most potentially up and coming managers, ready for the big job and a possible future England manager. Ignore this in the usual way though, if you don't then I'm sure others will. Dalglish was the most outstanding name of his ludicrous list and I picked it for that reason, I'm sure others will realise that. Feel free to tell me what I say is incorrect if it doesn't suit your opinion. I did have Dalglish's success in the back of my mind but he did anything but take us forward did he? Yes, we were a post away of winning the Cup with him, but other than that it was nowt but mid-table mediocrity. Shepherd played his part in that as well.... Guillit a "world class" manager? Do you honestly think he was "world class", ffs? If he was that good then why the f*ck did he undermine the biggest derby in England and drop our two best players? Would a "world class" manager try to sell Alan Shearer? Exactly! Look at all the shyte Guillit bought. F*cking awful. Allardyce's run was come to quite a hault by the time he left Bolton. And the way he went about his business at SJP really showed his true colors. Thank f*ck he didnt get that England job... #So what is your criteria for appointing managers ? Those who have won trophies, or those who have not ? Or is it just hindsight ? Preferably those who've won trophies. I admit Dalglish would be in that catagory but I guess it was one of those cases where it just didnt work out for him. But why us? Why didnt it? Was he allowed to do his job properly?.... But the only reason Sam was brought in was because Fred knew there was f*ck all to spend and Sam had been renound for working on a shoestring budget. Thats the only reason, imo, that he was brought in- because Shepherd knew the ship at NUFC was sinking. Why employ a manager of a team that were currently BOTTOM of the league? Souness was and always will be a shyte manager. I think everyone knew Souness was around a 4th choice appointment. If the old board had any sense then they would've 'relieved' SBR of his duties at the end of the 04/05 season and appointed someone like Houllier or Ranieri who had just been let go by their clubs. Its simple planning that make all the difference.

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress Aye, I know we've had worse people (so far) in our history, like Westwood and McKeag. They sold all our best players and replaced them with horrendous replacements. But your cleary happy with Ashleys work at the club so far, I take it? So you think Shepherd didnt sign big names to keep the fans happy? Ha! I wonder how many players we signed for massive money were well researched and watched for months.... Not enough I would say. Owen for £17m? Luque £9.5m? Boumsong £8.5m? Duff £5m? etc. etc. Aye, they've all turned out smashing havnt they? Yes they were all 1st teamers, but were they all right for the club and what we needed at the time? Not a chance! Only Owen has turned out near good. do you mean "clearly happy" ? I would tie a brick to the fat bastards balls and throw him off the Tyne Bridge if it were possible to get away with it. Lots of people were doing cartwheels when we bought Luque and Boumsong by the way, but these things are the responsiblity of the team manager, assuming your owner isn't Mike Ashley and the manager is allowed to run the team. The board/owners remit stops at supporting his judgement. The signings made by the old board qualified for europe regularly and filled the stadium by the way. Thats the point of making quality signings, unless I'm mistaken, so please enlighten us if that isn't the case. 1) Boumsong had been at Rangers for a year after signing from Auxerre on a FREE. £8.5m for a defender from the SPL? Aye, fantastic research. Sir Bobby actually said in his book that Charlie Woods (chief scout) watched Boumsong and they both agreed he wasnt good enough for us. Luque could've been bought for a much reduced price if Shepherd knew what he was doing. If Souness is to be believed, we could've had Anelka for around £7m but instead Shepherd decided on Luque... 2) Who employed that manager after sacking the best manager we'd had in god knows how long, in SEPTEMBER?!

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress You picked the wrong post to belittle NE5, after all he did name 5 other managers which make his point. Gullit left his team as FA Cup winners, in the top 3 in the league, and still in the European Cup. Even the scottish fuckwit had won the FA Cup and the League Cup. Allardyce was widely regarded as one of the most potentially up and coming managers, ready for the big job and a possible future England manager. Ignore this in the usual way though, if you don't then I'm sure others will. Dalglish was the most outstanding name of his ludicrous list and I picked it for that reason, I'm sure others will realise that. Feel free to tell me what I say is incorrect if it doesn't suit your opinion. I did have Dalglish's success in the back of my mind but he did anything but take us forward did he? Yes, we were a post away of winning the Cup with him, but other than that it was nowt but mid-table mediocrity. Shepherd played his part in that as well.... Guillit a "world class" manager? Do you honestly think he was "world class", ffs? If he was that good then why the f*ck did he undermine the biggest derby in England and drop our two best players? Would a "world class" manager try to sell Alan Shearer? Exactly! Look at all the shyte Guillit bought. F*cking awful. Allardyce's run was come to quite a hault by the time he left Bolton. And the way he went about his business at SJP really showed his true colors. Thank f*ck he didnt get that England job...

If Butt and Barton are solid and on top of their game then we have a great chance.....and if Owen's on form then even better. I have a feeling Barton could win this for us.

outstanding ignorance of mandiarse type proportions. mackems.gif Please tell us how many other managers have won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? BTW, the biggest c***s in NUFC's history are the people who ran the club down for over 30 years between the 1950's and 1992, and Mike Ashley is well on the way to matching their acheivements. I'm also pleased for you that you think Mike Ashleys lack of "trophy signings" has seen the club make such rapid progress Aye, I know we've had worse people (so far) in our history, like Westwood and McKeag. They sold all our best players and replaced them with horrendous replacements. But your cleary happy with Ashleys work at the club so far, I take it? So you think Shepherd didnt sign big names to keep the fans happy? Ha! I wonder how many players we signed for massive money were well researched and watched for months.... Not enough I would say. Owen for £17m? Luque £9.5m? Boumsong £8.5m? Duff £5m? etc. etc. Aye, they've all turned out smashing havnt they? Yes they were all 1st teamers, but were they all right for the club and what we needed at the time? Not a chance! Only Owen has turned out near good.

Couldnt of put it better myself.

"World-Class" managers? F*ck off, Freddie. We had Keegan and Robson, thats it. So he's telling us that Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Guillit, Graeme Souness, Glenn Roeder and Sam Allardyce are all "world class managers? Dickhead. He's right in some terms, as in Ashley should've done his homework etc. but he hasnt lost his ways of bullshitting. Ashley is a cunt and a tight fucker, but at least he has a plan to build for the future, whereas Shepherd was just interested in trophy signings and dealing with corrupt agents. Two of the biggest cunts in NUFC's history.

f*** off and delete this thread, WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN. And I wont even contemplate it, i will be supporting my team to the end, you want have a word with yourself (and Id suggest "c***"). Hold on a second. Did I say "WHEN we got down...", or did I say "IF we go down..."? By saying "IF" that means theres a chance we could stay up but also a chance we could go down. I havnt admitted defeat...yet.

It was decent enough, like. She did make some good points. OK, its nothing special that would put a lump in your throat or anything, but it wasnt bad. Still, Id rather bang Georgie Thompson....

Such a shame. I've heard promising reports of him in reserve games and he's had nothing but glowing reports, and it looked like he was going to get his break (no pun intended) in the first team but then this happens.... Typical Newcastle luck! F*ck sake. But what an attitude. Thats what earns you a cult hero status! Still though, he's no Nile Ranger...

Personally I think Niall and Biffa have it spot on most of the time. Their pieces are amusing but also tell the truth very well, imo.

Well Geremi might be off by the end of this month, and as for the other two, well maybe a newly promoted side would give them a shot...hopefully. Why would us making a profit on him mean he would be one of the first to go? Because Mike Ashley owns us...

Yeah, I guess so. He's one for the 'maybe' pile...

Then who out of our current squad do you think would stay? I think Bassong, Carroll, Lua Lua, Edgar and Ameobi are the only certainties. Others like Harper, Barton, Smith, Guthrie and Butt might stay, even if they are on big wages..

I wonder if we'll be having a (1 season) strip for the 40 years since winning the Fairs/UEFA Cup?