Shays Given Tim Flowers

@ManDoon I haven't read anything much at all. It is quite difficult predicting outcomes at the best of times and it's gotten harder in recent years. I think Jury's are more likely to convict post #metoo and Savile both in terms of sexual offences generally and convicting celebrities. The fact that there are multiple complainants will make it easier to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt. However, the fact each of these incidents happens at his house may well help him with the reasonable belief in consent defence he is almost certain to be running. Also from what I understand three rape charges are on the same day (2 complainants?) which again helps from a defence point of view. It's difficult to say much without reading the evidence so that's all very broad brush stuff. What will be damning evidence is if there are similarities between the methodology of the October 2020 rapes and the most recent Rape alleged to have been committed whilst on bail.

You're at much more risk of attack in general population than you would be in with people accused of similar is the logic.

Nonce Wing. Crown Court bail app was refused today so highly likely to stay in prison now until his trial, unless there is a change of circumstances.

Comfortably into double figures and will serve two thirds if it sticks.

Cannot beleive that 30,000 went to this.

Ronny Jonsen oh

We would have also accepted Abu Hamza.

Yeah and he deleted his Savile posts.

Didn’t put it on till the second half. We are bad.

They go on a forum, behave like a complete weirdo, all and sundry tell them to fuck off then they get their revenge.

Good time to merge the threads and perhaps lock it until there is some news on CAT?

Everybody is always advocating for violent revolution and seizure of all land/property.

Has anyone made a gif of that in goal camera Maguire penna?

They were dreadful, they still came back into the game throughout the first half, with England managing the threat posed very well. I think they had two very good chances in the second half (one they scored from). Can see the appeal of trying to grind out 45 minutes but Plan A stopped really working after about 25 minutes. Would have liked to have seen Sancho brought on, particularly when Chiesa went off, there was a real opportunity there to seize the initative. Really hard to assess it, because whilst the game itself was managed poorly, we lost on penalties. Italy had few clear-cut good chances for all their possession. Stone's was a few centimetres away from nicking it in extra time. The balance of the team is just out for me a little bit too defensive at the expense of attack. Would like to see Foden in the middle with Mount and one of Rice/Phillips. If we're going to play a front 3 against good footballing teams we probably need a striker more mobile than Kane...

Southgates limitations exposed in that game. It’s a bit of a puzzler because he’s done very well but it’s all plan A type of stuff. We missed Foden massively. There are still some problems with the way we play in England too. So much talk of needing to find ways of bringing players into the game. Whereas you want players who play themselves into it.

If the sponsors would agree to allow changes to colour to match the kit that would be grand.

How quickly they forget intertoto cup.

"Don't make me redundant. Please." "I've changed my mind, I don't want this, I don't want redundancy. I haven't signed anything." "No, put just say it's not definite now. Before you go. And we can... I will try twice as hard. I really will. I know I've been complacent and all. I'll turn this place around if you just say that it's not definite now, and then we can... You know, not go in until... Just starting from now. Starting from now."

Italy v Maguire and Pickford will be red cardi

Batty in 97 was our player in the 0-0 against Italy.

Rio Ferdinand seems like such a prick.

It’s a beautiful thing when you’re not on the receiving end of it. A real craft.

Can’t imagine going through life like this. The balls it must take.

This Italy team is phenomenal. Great watch.