Shays Given Tim Flowers

I can remember watching Southampton win the Johnston's Paint Trophy when Pards was there. They were a decent footballing team. He plays too safe (percentages) for the quality of our starting 11. I can sympathise however as I think it must be a real balancing act managing the club. Plausibly a fifth place finish could be our highest end position over the next eight years and yet there is a developing disquiet about the way things are progressing. I'm not saying that's wrong or right either. I would say that Pardew has shown himself to be highly pragmatic in his style when mananging us. I hope this pragmatism will lead him to develop a more attractive footballing side. I would be surprised if that wasn't the direction he wanted to go in. It may take some time and also may well require some investment in the squad.

They have probably heard what has been alleged and have reported it to the Police so that the Police will investigate it. Police often only investigate things where a complaint has been made. Also, this f***ing country at times. The f***ing hysteria. Racism is a problem because a bunch of whites kidnapped blacks, shipped them to the far corners of the world and made them work for nothing. Blacks were then systematically denied access to welfare and education which conveniently enabled a public perception amongst whites that they were inferior. This led to an understanding amongst whites that there was a genuine genetic inferiority in being black. This was obviously compounded by blacks only being able to achieve low social standing in Western society. This is a huge travesty and one that can't ever be justified. I appreciate thats a potted history that misses out of lot of things but can we not just have a bit of perspective. The hysteria and rhetoric that surrounds these allegations and instances (Suarez, Terry et al) does nothing to contribute to the race debate. It also creates an image of hyper-sensitivity which quite simply doesn't really exist in the day to day lives of most people. This is a bit of a rant but it f***s me off. The amount of fuss the media will make over something like this will far and away exceed the 100's of genuine injustices that happen day to day. We're just dumbing ourselves down. They should stay out of it imo, got f*** all to do with them, if the Chelsea players want to report it then that's up to them. Agreed, no denying its boosted their profile though.

They have probably heard what has been alleged and have reported it to the Police so that the Police will investigate it. Police often only investigate things where a complaint has been made. Also, this fucking country at times. The fucking hysteria. Racism is a problem because a bunch of whites kidnapped blacks, shipped them to the far corners of the world and made them work for nothing. Blacks were then systematically denied access to welfare and education which conveniently enabled a public perception amongst whites that they were inferior. This led to an understanding amongst whites that there was a genuine genetic inferiority in being black. This was obviously compounded by blacks only being able to achieve low social standing in Western society. This is a huge travesty and one that can't ever be justified. I appreciate thats a potted history that misses out of lot of things but can we not just have a bit of perspective. The hysteria and rhetoric that surrounds these allegations and instances (Suarez, Terry et al) does nothing to contribute to the race debate. It also creates an image of hyper-sensitivity which quite simply doesn't really exist in the day to day lives of most people. This is a bit of a rant but it fucks me off. The amount of fuss the media will make over something like this will far and away exceed the 100's of genuine injustices that happen day to day. We're just dumbing ourselves down.

Martins hits the bar against Liverpool on that video site. As mad as a box of frogs.

its a tired point but at least we are picking up points. If we do start to play well surely things will get a lot better.

He is a niggly b****** but one who is unlikely to ever cause serious harm to anyone, same as Tiote really. Fellaini is all about flailing arms which are horrible to deal with and he deserves punishment for it but he's never going to keep players out for a long time. Equally, I can't remember Tiote ever seriously injuring anyone, am I being a biased t*** here? Most of his cards are for the stupid s***, not 'bad' challenges, mainly just hauling people down one too many times in nothing positions and such like. Yeah, he needs to change his game but I don't think he's as dirty as some make out I don't think you are being biased at all. I spoke to a die hard West Brom the other day who didn't think Tiote was a violent player. Who also felt the red in the Derby was completely wrong. I agree with you too but i'm probably a biased twat. He makes a lot of professional fouls and little trips. He tends to catch players rather than clean them out. Though you could argue this makes him dirty. He didn't do himself many favours with his cameo at Norwich though. That being said, Cabaye is way ahead of him in the dangerous tackle stakes.

quite literally at 6's and 7's.

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Anyway doesn't fucking matter. There's a game to be won.

I don't see that as a red. Yellow all day. Its clumsy but for me nowhere near straight red.

I would rather just have 2 quality players for every position.

Is he eating an imaginary hamburger like the fat boy on Hook?

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/newcastles-muslim-stars-told-dont-play-in-new-wonga-tops-8204411.html To be honest, if such fuss weren't made out of this I don't think our Muslim players would care that much. (we're still not sure if they do, tbh.) Inclined to agree with you.

He's not anymore. I know.

Yes but you have to remember Ashley is pumping in £20 million a year too!

Sharia Law is a really poor choice of words from the Independent. It has extremely powerful and negative connotations. The Old Testament/Torah forbids usury (making loans with excessive interest rates) so if for example we had Orthodox Jews or Christians playing for us there would probably be similar advice coming from the relevant bodies. The fact that our Muslim players take their faith seriously isn't any great problem.

This club

this thread is no picnic. Can we get back on topic?

I understand the sentiment expressed here and I agree with you on the self-victimisation point. However first of all Wonga is essentially a Shylock business. If you went to a mate because you were desperate and they offered you the same terms you would think they were a terrible human being. Secondly a significant proportion of the people who find themselves reliant on these services don't possess competent skills of judgement in the first place and therefore any business that takes advantage of that is pretty shameful. In my personal experience the background checks performed are negligible too. There is a point to be made about the inequality of bargaining power as regards to whats fair. That being said we are talking about football sponsorship. There is a fair bit of moral bankruptcy present in football. Wonga's proposed sponsorship is a drop in the Ocean compared to all the other things that are wrong in the game. Also its capitalism at the end of the day. Most business make their money through exploitation. Im certain that a lot of what I am wearing right now has come from people who were exploited. We just choose to shut our eyes to it and pick up on little bits and pieces once in a while, like a little virtuous valve that says we're still good people. At the end of the day its a rubbish name that will look bad on shirts and as football fans that's all we ought to be bothered about.

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We've played well tonight. An enjoyable watch.

Iron Mike is having a decent game today.

Watching us at times is like f***ing an ugly girl on a regular basis. at least we're getting sex.

Not really. I'd rather be racially abused than assaulted. He hardly knocked the other player out. We've seen violent conduct loads of times and the ban hasn't been anywhere near 12 games. He already had had a red card earlier in the season, which means his first straight red for violent conduct is a four game ban. Then he gets himself another violent conduct seconds after, which technically could be his second red card that game, and should be a five game ban, and then he tries to start several fights on his way out from the pitch, which I assume is where the other three games comes in to it. If anything, he was lucky to get away with 12. The question should surely be why Suarez got twice as many games as Terry, not why Barton got the punishment he did? The Fa's judgment made specific reference to suarez being given an 8 game ban for repeated racial abuse (IIRC it was a 4 match ban that was specifically doubled to reflect the repetition). At the time I felt like this was the FA preparing themselves for potentially having to ban the England Captain rather than a hard stance on racism. May be cynical but anyway, as Malcom X once said 'Chickens coming home to roost never made me sad, Chickens coming home to roost always made me glad.'

You're welcome. top work