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The better players always get more criticism when results aren't going well. There's probably a psychological reason for it. Not that they both didn't have horrible games at times. Particularly Gini.

'Feminazi' :anguish:

No he isn't, like.

That's fair but you get a couple of weeks every couple months to do it. The likes of Poch and Klopp get given the leeway of 'it might take them half a season to implement their style' when they get to work with the players almost every day. The Carragher thing recently about Rafa doing drills on shape over and over again in training untill the players get it right. You just don't have the time to do that really at international level unless you're there and also use pretty much the same players for a long length of time It's just a lot harder than people make it out to be. Which imakes it frustrating when people cry 'ohhh he should obviously be playing player x and dropping player y' when the fundamental problems will still exist.

How about pick 11 players who will make up a good team rather than 11 individual stars? Wales don't have better players than England, but collectively they look much more fluent. The problem with most England managers is they pick the team which they think will make the man in the pub happy. Which 11 would that be then? I'm not really expecting you to answer that because at the moment there isn't really anything standing out to change (Rooney in midfield aside).

So we need to move on from the old guard and start playing the younger generation, or/and stop playing kids from the big teams just because they play for big teams like Rashford or Lingaard? I'm so confused what the correct thing to say in the pub is

Actua Soccer 2

Most bizarre part of the story.

Looks a new man. Watch him inflate as the stress increases

Yeah so loads of them then

How dare Ben Arfa join a Pardew club etc Ben fell out with Pardew to such an extent he was thrown out of the club on a free. When Townsend does the same he will be welcomed back. Until then he can kiss Pardew's arse along with any sympathisers. So you wouldn't take Benteke? A fellow 'Pardew sympathiser'?

How dare Ben Arfa join a Pardew club etc

He can f*** right off. He made his bed, now he can lie in it. We'll see you next season son, on our way past you in the premier table. So mad. So unjustified.

I liked him and generally wish him well, but won't care much either way how his carreer goes. Will just be a 'meh' footnote on our history in a few years.

Kane, Rashford, Sturridge, Vardy, Rooney and Welbeck before you even get to the likes of Deeney. He'll do well to manage that like.

I imagine that's actually quite tame for lower league stuff.

He tends to do alright to good in most of his non premier league jobs.

Bruce is a decent championship manager. Been promoted a few times.

A lot of them just invest it badly too, it's not all just going on hookers and blow I assume.

Semi-racist the pfm schtick tbh...

love how much you own this role tcd. You go girl!

So, who are the worst champions league winning managers of all time? Please submit your answers and workings.

It is very poor, but he makes up for it to an extent in other ways. Hopefully as said the more he plays the more confident he gets. He'll never be taking people on but if he can just get more comfortable playing simple balls he'll be very useful cover even in the premier league.

At a time where everyone complains about ticket prices, handing out free ones is obviously a good thing. Boasting about your attendance as a result of it is a bit odd though.