Shadow Puppets

In my opinion it has to be completed in the next week or two or forget it Completed in the next week or 2?. So if it takes another 14 days that then means we have 23 days to appoint a manager a coaching team then manager assess his squad get to know them and then analyse what is needed to bring in No f***ing chance you can do that in just over 3 weeks it's just not possible. The takeover bullshit is another Ruse to avoid spending money on a decent manager and players Perez leaving is biggest hint that no takeover was ever intended as why would they agree a price then seller sells one of your big assets before sale is completed It's like agreeing to buy a car agreeing a price then seller saying I've just sold the wheels They had no choice on Perez man his release clause was activated ...if you believe them.

It was never a penalty like. The tiniest bit of brushed contact. Ridiculous decision. Offside was right though.

Well that was shite.

To be fair that's pretty funny!

I’m as disappointed as the next guy that Rafa has gone, not necessarily for footballing reasons, but because of the lack of ambition and class that it shows yet again. From a footballing point of view I will miss his ability to organise the defensive shape of our team, and how to grind out a result. In truth I won’t miss the lack of attacking intent (that was at least evident until Almiron arrived). Overall he was an outstanding manager for us and represented the club better than anyone since Bobby. Really disappointing.

No he didn’t. He claimed that the lawyers account was legit.

Leave GE alone like...he’s not doing any harm. At least he’s contributing something, whether you find it interesting or not.

Well something is clearly happening. It would have been publicly rubbished by us if not. Simple as that really. There’s obviously a reason that we don’t want to comment yet.

The article above?

As always it looks horrendous on fans, but no doubt it’ll look canny on the players once you’re used to it.

That was epic! Potentially even more epic than last night. They only had 45 mins to turn it round. Absolutely incredible. I have a small soft spot for Spurs so would be happy for them to win it. But to be honest both Spurs and Liverpool have been great all year so they both thoroughly deserve it.

This I pointed out to a copper at half time...he just said there was too many of them.felt a bit sorry(sort of) for the ones being dragged out of the Leazes end when these t***s were left alone ..why? Money/corporate supporters - pure and simple. Different rules! Give over! They weren’t treat differently because of money. They were treat differently because there was about 300 in a block. What exactly are the police to do about that?

Who’s clueless?

Arsenal or Spurs? ??? He’s a million miles away from the quality required to play for either of those teams. He’s done really well for the last three or four months, but let’s not forget that his default performance level is “weak as piss but a decent finisher”. Still don’t think he’s good enough for where we should be aiming, personally. He wouldn’t start for an Everton or Leicester for example.

makes no fucking sense, that brush moved it to his hip that moved to to the goal etc. same rules should apply as to defenders, there's nowt else to it (granted it appears the stupid fucking rules make no sense) Highly debatable that it changed the flight of the ball at all. Maybe by millimetres.

Would have been insanely harsh to disallow it for brushing his arm like. It’s literally a brush. His arm made no movement towards it. His arms not in an unnatural position. As far as I know those are the two criteria?

I’m sorry like, that’s a foul! Every day of the week.

Young David Guest...

Dare I say, from a bit of YouTube scouting, there’s a bit of Ben Arfa about this lad. Exciting!

There, right there. THAT’S the reason I still go to the games. That feeling man! Makes you fall in love all over again!

That’s exactly the point. I, along with thousands others, are happy to get at him in every way we can other than stopping going. Why should we allow one man to stop us doing our hobby. Surely he wins. Maybe not financially, but his agenda wins if he makes it unbearable for us to be there. As long as Rafa is there or there’s something worth supporting I will be there. Happy to boycott a single match, sure, but not give it up. Surely you can see that you've just invented that bit in bold to vindicate yourself? It makes no sense, why would his agenda be to make it unbearable for you to keep going? His agenda is to make money and you're giving him money, it's really no more complicated than that. Yeah, I agree in hindsight my point there doesn't make much sense. What I was trying to get across was that giving into my hatred of Ashley and stopping going to the games affects my enjoyment, my kid's enjoyment etc. That feels to me as he has won in some way because his presence has made me stop doing something I love.

Fine if you want to take your kid to the match, but don't fucking complain when others who have taken a harder stance criticize you for helping to fund Ashley after almost 12 years of complete trolling and mismanagement to fans. It's like the chants against Ashley on Saturday man, it's complete hypocrisy to the max. I'm not complaining. I'm trying to make you see possible reasons why people still go. If you, and others on here (you know who you are), don't appreciate the reasons and learn to accept them, then you'll never formulate an effective strategy for getting Ashley out. Because boycotts / walk ins etc are just never going to land with the vast majority of the fanbase. As I've previously said on here, get at Sports Direct. That's all he cares about. Don't think thats true. People just seem to have an incredibly high tolerance of being shat on by something they love. Doesnt mean that there isn't a limit though. Maybe... maybe things will change when Rafa goes, but if you're wanting to get as many people on board right now with forms of protest, affecting the matchday experience isn't going to be got behind, in my opinion. Sadly it's the only thing that will cause change and that's why it needs to be pushed. There's no concrete value in getting people behind some group or movement if those people arent willing to make the personal sacrifice to push him out. You think that's the only thing that'll work? Despite clear evidence that the big push on social media against Sports Direct and his brands was getting a reaction out of him? Had on a second here, didn't you say before that the Spurs boycott and protest had no effect on Ashley going on Sky and then allowing the club to spend £80m? But now there's clear evidence that the social media campaigns have worked? I think there's clear evidence that they were working and that he was reacting to them, yes. Because it was happening over a prolonged period of time. Sports Direct had to stop tweeting for 2 weeks for christ sake. That kind of thing is major to a business like his. The Spurs boycott was a one-off of people not showing up who had already paid, so yes, I don't necessarily think that had any correlation whatsoever with him happening to spend a bit of money several months later. Just listen to yourself. Making out that them not tweeting for TWO WEEKS is major and boycotting a game doesnt have an effect. For christ sake indeed. The lenghts people go to justify their actions is unreal. OK go on then, I'll bite...tell me how exactly 10,000 people not going to 1 game they'd already paid for had any effect on Mike Ashley? As someone who works in marketing, yes, for a company the size of Sports Direct the inability to tweet for 2 weeks (plus all the other negativity surrounding his brand... the bad reviews on Trustpilot, the bombardment of his other brands etc) is a major issue. The fact remains that if you want people to get on board with a boycott, you're going to have to convince 95% of NUFC fanbase to give up something that they love doing (regardless of the quality on the pitch). If it really is to be pursued, the only way to do it is through a steady stream of information being given out prior to games (leaflets with facts about Ashley's reign etc), and a lot of good and positive cooperation with fans. Mud slinging at people who don't want to do it just makes you look aggressive, and if there's one thing that people don't like, it's being told what to do. My personal feeling is I would be absolutely willing to boycott one game (though I don't believe it would have much effect), but I will never stop going entirely unless I thought there was nothing worth supporting any more. I'm not at that stage... yet.

And I would wish people would stop getting on their soapbox's and pretending to be a better fan than another just because their opinion differs.

Fine if you want to take your kid to the match, but don't fucking complain when others who have taken a harder stance criticize you for helping to fund Ashley after almost 12 years of complete trolling and mismanagement to fans. It's like the chants against Ashley on Saturday man, it's complete hypocrisy to the max. I'm not complaining. I'm trying to make you see possible reasons why people still go. If you, and others on here (you know who you are), don't appreciate the reasons and learn to accept them, then you'll never formulate an effective strategy for getting Ashley out. Because boycotts / walk ins etc are just never going to land with the vast majority of the fanbase. As I've previously said on here, get at Sports Direct. That's all he cares about. Don't think thats true. People just seem to have an incredibly high tolerance of being shat on by something they love. Doesnt mean that there isn't a limit though. Maybe... maybe things will change when Rafa goes, but if you're wanting to get as many people on board right now with forms of protest, affecting the matchday experience isn't going to be got behind, in my opinion. Sadly it's the only thing that will cause change and that's why it needs to be pushed. There's no concrete value in getting people behind some group or movement if those people arent willing to make the personal sacrifice to push him out. You think that's the only thing that'll work? Despite clear evidence that the big push on social media against Sports Direct and his brands was getting a reaction out of him? Had on a second here, didn't you say before that the Spurs boycott and protest had no effect on Ashley going on Sky and then allowing the club to spend £80m? But now there's clear evidence that the social media campaigns have worked? I think there's clear evidence that they were working and that he was reacting to them, yes. Because it was happening over a prolonged period of time. Sports Direct had to stop tweeting for 2 weeks for christ sake. That kind of thing is major to a business like his. The Spurs boycott was a one-off of people not showing up who had already paid, so yes, I don't necessarily think that had any correlation whatsoever with him happening to spend a bit of money several months later. That second boggles my mind given he came out on TV directly after it. Then that followed. I’m not saying it 100% did but it was bad far the most effective protest done and then that happens. Yet you can dismiss it entirely. Agree with first part although the only true way anything will work is if you take up so much bandwidth that it’s more hassle than it’s worth and that means considering matches as one of them. ?