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I admire your values, IC. Good point. Here's a random and peripherally relevant 'knowledge-bomb': even in the most extreme conflict you can (most people, not accurately) imagine, you don't have to turn all psychopathic and disrespectful. Studies of killing in war reckon most of the small arms kills come from a very small percentage of the front line soldiers (WWII, 70% kills from 2%). Mostly infantrymen were posturing and firing wildly and ineffectively, many trotting-out hate-fuelled rhetoric. 1% of the effective killers were psychopaths, i.e. callous and generally malevolent, didn't care about anybody but themselves. The other 1%, were decent moral men. Who cared about their 'people' (brothers in arms, family, town/city, country etc) enough to overcome the p*ss your pants terror and fundamental wrongness of taking life. The point? You wouldn't want to damage/threaten something precious to, or generally f*** with with, the latter group (or the psychos) but they would be more likely to maintain respect for you, even if they were willing to end you. The chest beaters and shouters, well it is just (often self-defeating) noise. If Ashley is the enemy, personally I would rather not let his actions lead me to behave in a way which doesn't fit my values. Which drags me down to his level. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't kick the living s*** out of him, but I would have to be given due cause to exert 'reasonable force' (honest officer). A nice post Altamullan, thanks for that. I am of the belief that people are infinitely more than just the role they play, or what we see through our accumulated knowledge of them. Yes Mike Ashley is doing an absolutely terrible job at his role as far as Newcastle fans are concerned, but is that enough to equate that role with who he is and therefore allow myself to be lowered to a level where I would be willing to treat him in a way that corresponds with such a monstrous act of reductionism? (by which I mean, there's Mike Ashley the concept, and Mike Ashley the miraculous, automated life-vessel no different to you and I, and to take him solely as the concept is a huge act of reductionism where I'm coming from). Many would be... is the answer, but I would prefer to see myself living in better conditions. We have all said and done bad things, and I know I would appreciate deeply in another the ability to still recognise in me the thing that we share on a basic human level, so the very least I can do is treat people according to that. Respect and kindness come naturally when we can recognise that, we don't even need to try (athough it does not mean an unwillingness to act if a situation required it of you). Unfortunately that value doesn't include the idea that allowing my ego to run rampant over the person standing in front of me with the belief that it will somehow make me feel good is okay, as fun as that sounds...

Of course I am, regardless of how much I disagree with or am frustrated by someone, allowing basic levels of respect to go out of the window shows only your weakness and not theirs. No wonder Ashley has us by the balls You realise you can disagree with someone whilst still showing basic respect & courtesy aye? f*** me I'm out, I can't believe 5/6 posts in a row either advocate wanting someone assaulted, disrespected or even dead because of a game of football. Absolutely awful tbh. You obviously weren't here in the Pardew days. Not on here no. But I find anyone who wishes to attack or abuse someone because of a game (as much as we all love it) absolutely pathetic if I'm honest. Most of them given the chance wouldn't have the bollocks to speak their mind anyway, you just know it. Same with politics and Trump, I disagree with him on just about every level but would never wish a second of harm on the guy, it's just a weird way to behave. Then following on from the Gold video, Haydn saying he would happily see Ashley die is just vile, rotten crack of a weak individual in my eyes, particularly someone who has had a scare himself lately with his father I believe. Awful lack of basic compassion. Really basic stuff, but of course I'm a snowflake for speaking up against people advocating the wishing of harm on others over a game But fair enough, crack on if that's what's cool here...

Of course I am, regardless of how much I disagree with or am frustrated by someone, allowing basic levels of respect to go out of the window shows only your weakness and not theirs. No wonder Ashley has us by the balls You realise you can disagree with someone whilst still showing basic respect & courtesy aye? Fuck me I'm out, I can't believe 5/6 posts in a row either advocate wanting someone assaulted, disrespected or even dead because of a game of football. Absolutely awful tbh.

Wow...

Of course I am, regardless of how much I disagree with or am frustrated by someone, allowing basic levels of respect to go out of the window shows only your weakness and not theirs.

If that was one of our lot to Ashley I'd be embarrassed tbh. No need for it. As much as we as football fans get emotional when losing, you're a idiot if you put that emotion before the basic respect for another human being. Yes they're footballers, billionaire owners etc, but they're fucking people first and deserve to be treat like it.

you're a f***ing thick c*** like. Go on, gimme a ban. In the words of the Limmy caller "well worth it mate, he's s****". He's entitled to his opinion man, no need to call anybody a "thick cunt". Be nice man

Some harsh criticism from the pundits imo. I feel like we did well in the 90 minutes and were undone by some quality players.

Phew, Jamaal got away with one there, would have been a huge blow to us losing him. We certainly got our share of luck there

Can’t be too down about this game in fairness, we’ve had some good performances from the likes of Diame, Dummett & Lejeune/Lascelles. Midfielders and attackers can’t really come out with much criticism either I don’t feel.

He’s doing fine imo, he’s cost us fuck all unless you consider the Salah goal to be a mistake in which case I would strongly disagree.

Heading wide from about 6 yards on his own? That was Redmond. Boufal provided the cross. Other way around Aye you're right mate, I thought Redmond was playing off the left this game but he seems to have switched over.

Heading wide from about 6 yards on his own? That was Redmond. Boufal provided the cross.

Excellent from Boufal, that.

What a surprising team selection. There's much in there that people have been calling for loudly including Murphy, Merino & what looks like Atsu at no.10.

Most Sheffield Wednesday fans wanted him gone, they were s*** all season under him. They had just had a great season though, and had a real identity to their play. Half a bad season is absolutely ridiculous a time to turn on a manager who raised their game so much, especially given they would hardly have the pick of the bunch when looking for a replacement. They seem worse off without him now whilst he's proving he can get an average team playing good stuff at Swansea.

Probably end up at Everton. That Martina is terrible and Baines seems finished.

Who if any would you take from either if one/both were to go down? Shaqiri? Tadic? Ward-Prowse? Bertrand? Redmond? Boufal? Lemina? Some okay names in there on paper at least.

Sheffield Wednesday were crazy to let Carvalhal go like. Obviously easy to say in hindsight but he gave them a real identity that I see as so valuable and is so lacking in football in this country in general. Always knew you were playing a decent footballing side when coming up against his Wednesday team and they look shit now.

Scores again

John Egan is a full Ireland international and crucial squad member for a top 10 championship side. That's noteworthy I'd say. Fair point on Ferguson though I had forgotten about him.

I think the fact of the matter is that if it's to be made compulsory, people will get used to it and it will become an accepted side of the game - regardless of how much people dislike it at present. I also believe most of us would be happy with it if it was seamlessly done consistently, it's hard to argue with as a concept, but the current implication & example of it has shown it's ambiguous & ugly sides.

What's it done of note? Henderson and Pickford? Leadbitter, McCartney, Hourihane, Bridges, Waghorn, Egan. Nothing great sure, but better than ours I'd say, some solid enough players in there. We have Dummett, Carroll & not a great deal else.