Kid Icarus

Grew up hearing it as a kid and it just always sounded like music from an advert or like shopping centre muzak to me until now.

It definitely has that liminal space feel to it in that clip that makes it 10x better.

That net spend after the absolute pittance that Rafa was given to work with man.

I know it's probably seen as tempting fate, but I really have no idea how anyone can really be worried in the slightest about relegation. We know just how bad you have to be to go down and for me it would take Bruce being here until Christmas and for Newcastle to still be in the bottom 3 at that point for it to seem like a legitimate threat that the owners couldn't buy their way out of.

I think I just finally got that song. Never ever really liked it before.

Is that all? Doesn't seem like a lot to be going on.

Haven't really been paying attention to PL football after Rafa went. What's Potter done since then to suddenly be seen as a bit of a football hipster darling? (By that, I mean that Tifo seem to mention him a lot)

This is definitely one element of it where it's easy to laugh in their faces over it all. This NUFC is you, you fucking idiots. You'd think the Chelsea and Man City takeovers, and the attempt to run off to form a Super League had never happened. All the Spiderman pointing hypocrisy of late stage capitalism at its finest. This very well might be football's jumping the shark moment, but they gleefully dragged it there.

If moving a full building like that is an actual thing and not just a fantasy then I'm sure the uni would happily sell them all of the Business School and Science City land to move into and away from the listed buildings.

In his The Athletic Q&A. Probably a good time to get a subscription at the moment, there's loads about Newcastle on there.

Caulkin was told there's no chance of Rangnick coming, FWIW.

I'm sorry like, but I'd find it hard not to laugh if after all this Staveley was absolutely shit. How couldn't you?

Okay, so what's the issue and exactly what about it changes where the money comes from?

Isn't the point that it's Saudi blood money, not that their goal for each is different? Why does that change anything about where the money comes from?

He said it with what he chose to focus on, which is fair enough, just a bit of an eye roll over getting tarred with the same brush.

I know the NUST numbers were around 93% in favour, but if that's representative 7% is still about 160,000 people to be making assumptions about in real numbers. He's certainly happy to focus on the small percentage of people carrying on with towels on their heads or waving flags. It doesn't bother me like, all fans of all clubs are always lumped together like that and I've always thought that it's stupid. This is always what was going to happen and it'll never ever end.

The assumption that all Newcastle fans are for the takeover, or that being happy that Ashley's gone automatically means you endorse the Saudis is absolutely shite like, but this is what we all knew was coming. The only complaint I really have about Squires these days is that he's far too wordy and rarely as funny as he used to be. Didn't think that one was that bad tbh, I've definitely seen the stuff that he's talking about, especially last summer. The mental gymnastics ones is bollocks like, anyone still choosing to use a Saudi funded product that would be easy to give up, is in no position to expect Newcastle fans to boycott or walk away from the football club they've supported all of their life.

I can't get away from thinking that it'll end up being Rafa in the end. Maybe not the next manager, but in the long term.

I think you're both right like. It's a double edged sword - precisely because it's your football club means it should mean more to you than it does with Uber, Starkbucks, and Disney, but because it's your club means walking away isn't anywhere near being an option in the same way that it is not using Uber, Starbucks, or Disney+. I think it's fair to say that anyone looking on from the outside and not being able to understand why Newcastle fans aren't kicking up a fuss while they're using those companies and have a much easier consumer decision to make don't really have a leg to stand on. Obviously that's not to say that them being hypocritical means that they're wrong.

We did do that for years. No idea why you're continuing to ignore actions abroad but I don't think we're going to get anywhere near to agreeing, so best just leave it there

No of course it's not. Surely the point isn't that pointing it out is colonial and racist, but that not seeing it as the same thing when the west does it, or trying to claim that other states are worse is? I mean you're still saying the west and SA are incomparable but for some reason you're only really looking at the disparity between societies and not factoring in actions abroad.

And it's not a case at all of saying that you can't criticise the Saudis because the west is bad, it's purely in response to you saying that they're incomparable and not as bad. Of course you can and should criticise the Saudis.

I'm not obfuscating anything man, you're making up points I haven't and wouldn't make. It's really simple, our own societies are clearly freer and don't have the human rights issues internally that the Saudis have. Our and the U.S's foreign actions abroad are easily comparable and historically over a long and short period far beyond the atrocities of the Saudis. Why you're only looking domestically, I'm not sure.

It's really not and I say that as someone who fully realises who MBS is. You might have the blinkers on where the west is concerned. Our own societies may have more freedom but our and the U.S actions abroad, or in fact our sponsorship and trading with the very regimes you say are night and day to our own is there for all to see