Abacus

Looking like Southampton, Bournemouth and either Leeds or Everton for the drop, then. I think it'll be Leeds, they should've had a plan before getting rid of Marsch. It completely passed me by that we'd already sailed past the magic 40 point mark. This is basically a free hit season for us now

This surely can't be happening to the best footballing team in England today.

They probably don't expect anything. They don't think he can change or affect anything. What they want is publicity, and targeting the manager of a club just before their first major final in decades is the way to get it. So yes, it's a publicity stunt more than anything. You can argue that it's personally unfair on Howe (it probably is), but then, they'd argue that what's more unfair is the Saudi regime etc which justifies what they're doing because it gets the attention they want, which might itself cause change. And around and around we go. FWIW, we criticise the mackems for suddenly caring about human rights since the takeover. There's a reverse thing happening with some of our fans where people suddenly feel the need to justify themselves. Not saying that's what these people are doing, but no-one has any responsibility for sorting the world's problems because of which team they support. Personally, I care about human rights in the world just as much or as little as I did before the takeover, and that's my business. As a Newcastle fan all I care about is whether they are good custodians of the club or not. If they aren't (and it's not just about spending money, this), I'll want them gone just as much I wanted rid of Ashley.

Chumbawumba He gets knocked out! But he gets up again So he probably shouldn't have been in goal!

Hell of a roar there

Off to the Forest forums now...

Beyonce is going to be furious when all the single ladies turn up to lob crisp packets at her, then bugger off early to beat the rush.

None left except the ones booing Mitro

I can't understand how the best footballing team in England can be getting pumped 3-1 at home in front of a load of empty seats. How can there even be enough people there to lob that much rubbish onto the pitch?

Brilliant news! Opens up the chance of sponsoring the new fan zone or stand rather than a stadium re-naming, maybe?

4 or a 5 for me, probably. I don't know anything about Ashby, and I'm waiting to see about Gordon, though hoping for the best and wishing them both well. To lose an established striker and a midfielder, whatever you think of either of them, and not directly replace them feels risky. Bruno's sending off and Isak's possible concussion underline that. Wood and Shelvey would have been in the squad next week for sure. I wonder what Howe's feelings are on losing those two. Not too fussed if we missed out on Gallagher, if he even was a serious target. Hopefully a couple of decent signings in the summer instead, but we probably can't keep defying gravity with our current squad.

He's an already-legend.

Well, and the Trippier thing interests me. I wonder if they came off the pitch and Trippier had said what a rough time he'd given him / how hard he was to play against, and that might have been a factor in wanting him. Or very possibly I've just made all that up in my own head.

Attendance bragging has always been a bit of a weird thing. It's probably because neither of us have won anything in living memory, so when you get into a debate with a rival fan, it's the one thing you've got going for you. E.g. we're bigger than Wigan because we've got more fans. Which then means we need to squabble between ourselves about how fan numbers are reported, like dancing on the head of a pin. That said, Sunderland are shite, their fans are shite, they don't turn up and their bones are made out of cheesy chips. More seriously, I'm quite interested in their owners. Donald and Methven seemed to have a clear plan to get them into the championship and then flip them for a profit. The current owners (whoever they even are with their opaque ownership structure) I'm not so sure about. I assume it's to get to the PL and sell them then. But I'm guessing there, not sure they've ever stated their intentions? Also, not even sure that's a good idea right now as it seems like a good chunk of established PL teams are up for sale at the same time. It's important because it makes a difference to the message throughout your whole club.

He's the greatest, he's fantastic Wherever there is danger he'll be there

Dyche would be a great appointment for them. Keep them up, see how it goes in the summer. You might still then get rid of him and appoint Bielsa in the summer if they do drop for a full rebuild job, which they desperately need. I've got no great animosity towards Everton, there are a few tossers in every fan group. So, the main thing that annoys me is that I'm sure there's a joke to be had about "a finger in the Dyche" and I just can't think of it.

I'd rather they slaughtered a goat or set alight a wicker man in the centre circle.

It's only been a year since we became a better run club, but it's already frustrating to be dragged into Everton's maelstrom of mess. It used to be our job to be the basket case club that doesn't seem to know what it's doing and has no money.

Was thinking this earlier. But then I guess a lot of loaning clubs end up subsiding wages too. So if you're being partly paid by the home club, someday expect / hope to go back there and play for your old team after the loan, and then drop a genuine clanger against them in a tie...hard to think it wouldn't look like a conflict of interest. Players get done for betting on games they can't influence for less. Probably rightly so.

Good luck to him - I'm sure he can do a job there and hope he does. Partly for him and partly for us because he also needs a permanent move as he's presumably 4th choice at the moment behind Dubs and Karius. And I think his contract runs for another 2 years after this season till June 2025 and I can't imagine his place in the pecking order will improve over that time, so it can't do anyone any favours staying till then. Slight tangent but it's really interesting looking at when some of the other contracts end. The ones ending in June 2024 will have a few choices for both them and the club to make this summer as they enter the last year of their deals. Almiron is one - I'd imagine we'd want to have him signed up on a new deal if he carries on like he has, rather than risk losing him cheaply. Likewise Wilson and Trippier's end in 2024 too. Age may be a factor for both, injuries also for Wilson. I can't really imagine the team without either right now and in particular Trippier, all I'm saying is it'll be interesting how they play it.

I think some of the disappointment being felt is that, yes, he's definitely someone that people could see Howe working with and improving. But that's clashed with the fear that we've got a genuine chance of a cup and a top 4 finish and people want something closer to a finished article to get there, given our squad isn't the strongest. I get that some people don't rate him, I'm not 100% sure myself, but that's maybe affecting people's thinking. Come up with a blammo signing out of nowhere as well like we have before and I think this would be looked at a lot more favourably, and all of a sudden as a great window.

This is the problem with Chelsea having made a daft £60m bid. It's put that price in Everton's mind, and they know they'll look stupid accepting less just a few months later. Frankly, if we don't think he's worth that much, walk away. Who knows how desperate they'll be by the summer.

I think a little camp wave for a deserved and stupid sending off is less bad than a potentially ankle shattering challenge by that same player earlier on. I remember when Keane got sent off and Shearer laughed at him. Even Keane admitted Shearer had got in his head.

I mainly don't like his trousers. But, as a footballer, what I've seen is that he's fast, works hard and can buy a foul. That's pretty much all I've noticed, so remain to be convinced. Maybe that's unfair taking account of how badly their whole team has been doing. Plus of course I'm not a scout. I do wonder, though, why he's not playing - not good enough, not fit? Or being protected for a sale? I'm often not too convinced there's much to a lot of the speculation, though there does seem a lot of it here. But anyway, I was reading the other transfer thread about the FFP benefits of selling a home grown player. From Everton's point of view, they definitely need to strengthen to stay up and have very limited FFP wiggle room. So that would make sense to sell a home grown player, so that sort of clicked. Or, I could be reading too much into that.

They won't be writing in to their MPs since they've already used their one stamp to complain about Look North instead.