Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club. They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud. Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally s*** and as bad as each other but in different ways. Even defensive teams can be effective if they play fast counter-attacking football. I'd rather watch that than the eight man defense hoof it long to the wing tactics of the king. Not when you're playing average players at best like Anita and Colback over and over again you won't and he is the man who picks them- let's see if you're saying the same in another few games as you're in for one hell of a wake up call if you really think things will improve under him. It won't take much to improve on Pardew mind, s*** results and passing football would do that. Passing 10 yards backwards and sideways is not passing football though in my eyes anyway - let's just see who is right only time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's not really relevant as i don't know about anyone else, but results were not the reason i wanted rid of Pardew even though that was obviously really shit as well. But anyway i don't really want to discuss this any further tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better. So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison? Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew? You could say who has the highest league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McClaren is better than Keegan then. I look at the whole picture when I'm comparing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better. So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison? Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew? You could sy who has the highest league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McC;aren is better than Keegan then. I look at the who picture when I'm comparing. The initial comparison is between McClaren and Pardew, when comparing the two directly, the fact that one has won things makes him better because they're somewhat level in other areas. That's still taking into account the bigger picture. If you asked me to compare Keegan and McClaren then I'd say Keegan because he can do more with an NUFC team than McClaren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better. So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison? Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew? You could sy who has the highest league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McC;aren is better than Keegan then. I look at the who picture when I'm comparing. The initial comparison is between McClaren and Pardew, when comparing the two directly, the fact that one has won things makes him better because they're somewhat level in other areas. That's still taking into account the bigger picture. If you asked me to compare Keegan and McClaren then I'd say Keegan because he can do more with an NUFC team than McClaren. So you're using winning more trophies when comparing one manager and then saying that doesn't apply to when you compare with another manager. Yeah right lmao- just do like for like and give an argument as to league positions he has achieved in England which is where Newcastle play. Pardew got to a final of the FA Cup, he finished 5th in the league and is 6th in the league presently but do I say he is a good manager no but he as an overall better league record than McClaren though. You're trying to tell me that one shit manager is better than another shit manager and trying to use a League Cup win and a league championship in the Dutch league and yet when I say well if you're using that measure that also applies with someone like Keegan who never won a trophy or a league championship (and not when we were promoted either before you raise that) you try and say no it's not the same - yes it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I've got no problem with the ball going backwards or sideways if it is just to maintain possesion and it is only 10-20% of the game. Last night was fucking horrible though, the reason the ball was going back much of the time is there was simply no outlet forward. Then Krul would give the opposition possesion and the problem was solved for a while. :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Early days but he's been the disappointment I feared he would be. Very limited, let's hope his plan a comes good soon as I don't see any plan b for him At least he's easier to listen too. That will soon change when if we long win soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He needs to drop Anita AND Colback and give Cisse a partner. Sissoko wide right is shite too, he needs to play CM and get Aarons wide on one flank and Thauvin on the other and start playing down the wings and getting crosses in. Last night was very poor, almost Pardew poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He needs to drop Anita AND Colback and give Cisse a partner. Sissoko wide right is shite too, he needs to play CM and get Aarons wide on one flank and Thauvin on the other and start playing down the wings and getting crosses in. Last night was very poor, almost Pardew poor. The squad is horrifically unbalanced, it's almost impossible to play our best players all at once and there's one set for one style of football and now another lot for another. The other issue is too many players without real positions and defined roles. It's a fucking mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better. So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison? Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew? You could sy who has the highest league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McC;aren is better than Keegan then. I look at the who picture when I'm comparing. The initial comparison is between McClaren and Pardew, when comparing the two directly, the fact that one has won things makes him better because they're somewhat level in other areas. That's still taking into account the bigger picture. If you asked me to compare Keegan and McClaren then I'd say Keegan because he can do more with an NUFC team than McClaren. So you're using winning more trophies when comparing one manager and then saying that doesn't apply to when you compare with another manager. Yeah right lmao- just do like for like and give an argument as to league positions he has achieved in England which is where Newcastle play. Pardew got to a final of the FA Cup, he finished 5th in the league and is 6th in the league presently but do I say he is a good manager no but he as an overall better league record than McClaren though. You're trying to tell me that one s*** manager is better than another s*** manager and trying to use a League Cup win and a league championship in the Dutch league and yet when I say well if you're using that measure that also applies with someone like Keegan who never won a trophy or a league championship (and not when we were promoted either before you raise that) you try and say no it's not the same - yes it is. I don't think it's hard to grasp, tbh. McClaren's wins as a manager separate himself from Pardew. Keegan's qualities were different so the winning stuff argument doesn't really apply. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree, I just don't think they're in the same bracket, doesn't mean I think either are truly good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Objectively speaking McClaren and Pardew are roughly in the same bracket whether you like it or not, with the latter being current flavour of the month for many non-NUFC fans you would imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He needs to drop Anita AND Colback and give Cisse a partner. Sissoko wide right is shite too, he needs to play CM and get Aarons wide on one flank and Thauvin on the other and start playing down the wings and getting crosses in. Last night was very poor, almost Pardew poor. The squad is horrifically unbalanced, it's almost impossible to play our best players all at once and there's one set for one style of football and now another lot for another. The other issue is too many players without real positions and defined roles. It's a fucking mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Again, it's what happens when you target players based on contractual vulnerability and profit potential as opposed to suitability for the league, team, and style of play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Yup. You just end up with one weak area then another season after season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Yup. You just end up with one weak area then another season after season. Almost as bad as when we had zero quality fullbacks for what felt like a decade, culminating in Carr/Babayaro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Looks like he is lap dancing for Tony Hayers http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/15/21/2C522C1300000578-0-image-a-6_1442349092529.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You are right about not being able to fit our best players on the pitch and into a system to suit. I honestly think a 433 would probably suit our players better but would mean no place for de Jong, a 4411 would also be something we could look to do with widemen and dejong/ayoze dropping between midfield and the forward. 4231 is just not happening for us and is making the players position themsleves too deep, i can't understand why we aren't asking colo or mbemba to bring the ball our further forward with more options in midfield up the pitch, our defenders are all capable of bringing the ball out. I am a bit sick of seeing our two central midfielders two yard in front of the defense and huge gaps to those further forward.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Looks like he is lap dancing for Tony Hayers http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/15/21/2C522C1300000578-0-image-a-6_1442349092529.jpg Divvent want to see Schteve in a studded leather thong like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 You are right about not being able to fit our best players on the pitch and into a system to suit. I honestly think a 433 would probably suit our players better but would mean no place for de Jong, a 4411 would also be something we could look to do with widemen and dejong/ayoze dropping between midfield and the forward. 4231 is just not happening for us and is making the players position themsleves too deep, i can't understand why we aren't asking colo or mbemba to bring the ball our further forward with more options in midfield up the pitch, our defenders are all capable of bringing the ball out. I am a bit sick of seeing our two central midfielders two yard in front of the defense and huge gaps to those further forward.... It's not the formation itself that is making us drop deep, IMO, it's the personnel he's using. 4-3-3 is probably better suited to us, but a 4-2-3-1 should become a 4-3-3 of sorts anyway when we're moving forward with the ball. I don't mind the splitting the CBs thing, let's players get wider and stretch teams but it requires a strong, creative CM that's comfortable taking riskier positions and a smart #10 to link through the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Looks like he is lap dancing for Tony Hayers http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/15/21/2C522C1300000578-0-image-a-6_1442349092529.jpg 'Uh-uh I want a second signing' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Looks like he is lap dancing for Tony Hayers http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/15/21/2C522C1300000578-0-image-a-6_1442349092529.jpg 'Uh-uh I want a second signing' :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Objectively speaking McClaren and Pardew are roughly in the same bracket whether you like it or not, with the latter being current flavour of the month for many non-NUFC fans you would imagine. The crucial thing about BOTH of them is that they fit the Ashley mould...and that's all he cares about. They keep their mouths shut and let Carr/Charnley sign players that fit the Ashley criteria - likely to make money when sold on. Other than that, and they would be out of a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 At our place yes, beyond that I think Pardew has the better reputation of the two in the outside (non-NUFC) world's view, and probably rightly so based on what he's done at Palace so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 What really gets me is that TOO MUCH of our play happens so close to the touchline, 45 yards or so away from the goal. It's almost the least goal-threatening position to be in. The amount of times the ball just goes out because we try too many intricate little passes is baffling. When you have a player like Sissoko out there as well, who doesn't have the best of touches in the world, it gets even worse. I understand we sometimes need width, and need to spread the play out by having good overall pitch coverage, but f*** me I cannot understand how Pardew, Carver, and now McClaren it seems, can't see that is one of the major ways in which concede possession so cheaply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I think he's got a few decisions to make to turn things around. Firstly the right midfield combination is a must, because what he's doing isn't working. Secondly he needs to pick strikers he can trust rather than a player who wants to be away then complain about it afterwards when he doesn't put in a full shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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