Steve McClaren

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Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

[Hanshithispantz]

Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

Really?

 

I think we've seen what McLaren's about and I like him a lot more than Pardew but he's still not good enough for us. Never has been and never will be.

 

I'm not too arsed tbh now though; our squad's absolutely fucked.

[Foluwashola]

Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

 

Yesterday the only team playing football were cheated out of the game. Have seen some evidence of improvement over the last couple of games.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Agree, I'm encouraged by what I've seen. At least he's trying to do the right thing.

[Hanshithispantz]

The encouragement comes from the fact he's not got us penned in our own half for 90 minutes protecting a 0-0 draw though. It feels slightly liberating even when we're still being battered but it's hardly revolutionary stuff.

[Mistle17]

He's not going to achieve much with us, but no manager will under this regime, that's just the way it is. He's the best we're going to get tbh- and so far I like his attempts to get us playing some decent 'ball; he knows how to build a system around the likes of Janmaat, Wijnaldum etc.

 

He won't ever have a 'squad' to work with, it will be a decent 11 with a couple of ok subs but otherwise the remaining will be utter bile like Gouffran, Williamson etc.

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Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

Really?

 

I think we've seen what McLaren's about and I like him a lot more than Pardew but he's still not good enough for us. Never has been and never will be.

 

I'm not too arsed tbh now though; our squad's absolutely fucked.

 

Yeah, really.

 

Under this owner we're not going to be able to go out and attract a big name manager, nor would any come to us with the set up we operate under. I've said it before but McClaren is the best we could hope for. Of course that doesn't make it OK but if we can carrying on TRYING to play football then it's far better than anything served up over the last few years.

 

I'm aware it's total apathy and acceptance of this regime but for christ sake, what else can I do? Anyone who's successfully managed to walk away, I applaud you. I'm not even a Geordie, maybe that's why? I don't feel any less of a fan but maybe there's something I just don't get?

[nufcjb]

I'd rather stick with him coz there are positives. Unlike with Pardew, the negatives far outweighed the positive.

 

Tell me who the fuck can Ashley genuinely appoint that would please those who want McClaren out?

[Hanshithispantz]

Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

Really?

 

I think we've seen what McLaren's about and I like him a lot more than Pardew but he's still not good enough for us. Never has been and never will be.

 

I'm not too arsed tbh now though; our squad's absolutely fucked.

 

Yeah, really.

 

Under this owner we're not going to be able to go out and attract a big name manager, not would any come to us with the set up we operate under. I've said it before but McClaren is the best we could hope for. Of course that doesn't make it OK but if we can carrying on TRYING to play football then it's far better than anything served up over the last few years.

 

I'm aware it's total apathy and acceptance of this regime but for christ sake, what else can I do? Anyone who's successfully managed to walk away, I applaud you. I'm not even a Geordie, maybe that's why? I don't feel any less of a fan but maybe there's something I just don't get?

Just accept our lot then, don't try and force a change. Fair enough.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'd rather stick with him coz there are positives. Unlike with Pardew, the negatives far outweighed the positive.

 

Tell me who the fuck can Ashley genuinely appoint that would please those who want McClaren out?

You mean like Remy Garde who wanted to come here?

 

Garde might go to Villa and turn out to be shite, but he was a far more inspiring choice than McLaren and we fucked him off for being too foreign.

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Baffled as to why people would be happy to see him go.

 

Two of the last three seasons we've deserved to be relegated. Cowardly football, hoofball tactics and a complete cunt of a manager - throw in a painfully mediocre 10th place finish in the middle with the same awful football and some of you think McClaren could just come in and transform the attitudes, abilities and playing style of this team so quickly?

 

For the first time in years, we DON'T deserve to be where we are, we're playing far better than the league table suggests and if we continue playing like this, we'll be absolutely fine. Things will come good and I genuinely think McClaren could do well here.

 

2-0 down and down to 10 men yesterday and McClaren threw on Thauvin for Dummett, they're the sorts of things we complained endlessly that we wanted Pardew to do - granted he said judge him after 10-12 games, but every time I've seen us (perhaps Swansea aside) there have been an awful lot of positives and a LOT of the tactical changes we wanted to see under Pardew. Yes he's still playing the useless Colback, but fitting Mitrovic and Perez in the same team was a good decision, and playing on the deck will pay dividends eventually. Yes, it's not the appointment we wanted but just cast your minds back to where we've been the last few years. Williamson hoofing the ball up to Perez, isolated up front on his own with Gouffran for support.

 

I think it's far too early to write McClaren off, like I said it's bad news we've been in the bottom three all season but things will take time. We've gone toe-to-toe with Man United, Arsenal, Man City (for 45 minutes anyway...) and (albeit a poor looking) Chelsea and gone at them rather than setting up to try and NOT lose like Pardew did against lesser opposition. That's incredibly refreshing and admirable.

 

Anyone calling for his head this early better not be those who resent the media for claiming we're 'deluded' and 'demand success' - don't we just demand a team that tries? Because as far as I can tell, we've actually got one of those and have been genuinely unlucky so far this season.

Really?

 

I think we've seen what McLaren's about and I like him a lot more than Pardew but he's still not good enough for us. Never has been and never will be.

 

I'm not too arsed tbh now though; our squad's absolutely fucked.

 

Yeah, really.

 

Under this owner we're not going to be able to go out and attract a big name manager, not would any come to us with the set up we operate under. I've said it before but McClaren is the best we could hope for. Of course that doesn't make it OK but if we can carrying on TRYING to play football then it's far better than anything served up over the last few years.

 

I'm aware it's total apathy and acceptance of this regime but for christ sake, what else can I do? Anyone who's successfully managed to walk away, I applaud you. I'm not even a Geordie, maybe that's why? I don't feel any less of a fan but maybe there's something I just don't get?

Just accept our lot then, don't try and force a change. Fair enough.

 

You can't FORCE a buyer to come up with hundreds of million pounds to buy a football club, man.

 

Even if we FORCED Ashley to admit defeat and sell up, what then? To successfully sell something, you need a willing buyer...

[Hanshithispantz]

As I said, just accept our lot then. Its fair enough.

[Foluwashola]

As I said, just accept our lot then. Its fair enough.

 

Are you advocating forcing McClaren out after 10 games?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think we should 'accept our lot', but I'm not sure how valid a target McClaren is for regime change. Unless we plan to just force out every manager until it becomes untenable for anyone to do the job and Ashley might then leave.

 

Not sure why, but I don't associate McClaren with 'appointing anyone cheap' like we expected. He's at least a functioning football manager with some knowledge and experience.

 

Maybe my expectations have been lowered too far.

[The College Dropout]

McClaren isn't the regime.

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I don't think we should 'accept our lot', but I'm not sure how valid a target McClaren is for regime change. Unless we plan to just force out every manager until it becomes untenable for anyone to do the job and Ashley might then leave.

 

Not sure why, but I don't associate McClaren with 'appointing anyone cheap' like we expected. He's at least a functioning football manager with some knowledge and experience.

 

Maybe my expectations have been lowered too far.

 

This is how I feel. All of our expectations have been lowered because of Ashley and the way he tries to run the club. I'm sure none of us listened to his interview before the West Ham game and thought "We're getting a top rate manager and spending millions buying the players we NEED".

 

Of the managers we were linked with, McClaren wasn't a bad choice for me. Of course Garde, Gourvennec, Vieira were all interesting propositions but would they have been any better than McClaren? We don't know that, it was the appeal of the unknown. In terms of pedigree, yes McClaren was sacked by a Championship club but he's managed at International level (albeit without any level of success) and that title win with Twente gets nowhere near the recognition it should on here.

 

Until a buyer appears with enough money to appeal to Ashley, what are we supposed to do?

[Hanshithispantz]

As I said, just accept our lot then. Its fair enough.

 

Are you advocating forcing McClaren out after 10 games?

My position really isn't too hard to get like. I never wanted him and I still don't want him.

 

I don't see why it has to be a thing that any manager who comes in has to be given time before the fanbase can decide whether or not he should be there, it's the kind of shit craic that had people happily sitting through nearly 5 years of Alan Pardew because he 'deserved' to redeem himself after nearly getting us relegated.

 

 

[nufc4eva]

Seeing some definite improvements in our overall play and possession, but how the fuck do we still collapse and lack basic organisation?

 

Centre midfield needs sorted quickly. Sissoko n Wijnaldum were excellent, but the whole midfield doesnt offer enough cover for the back four. We are so weak without the ball

[Hanshithispantz]

I don't think we should 'accept our lot', but I'm not sure how valid a target McClaren is for regime change. Unless we plan to just force out every manager until it becomes untenable for anyone to do the job and Ashley might then leave.

 

Not sure why, but I don't associate McClaren with 'appointing anyone cheap' like we expected. He's at least a functioning football manager with some knowledge and experience.

 

Maybe my expectations have been lowered too far.

I'm not sure why either, Ian.

[Hanshithispantz]

I'm not advocating that we force McClaren out fwiw, as I've said I'm not even arsed. I'm responding to Ads saying he's 'baffled' by people want rid. There's pretty clear reasons why people want rid.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don't think we should 'accept our lot', but I'm not sure how valid a target McClaren is for regime change. Unless we plan to just force out every manager until it becomes untenable for anyone to do the job and Ashley might then leave.

 

Not sure why, but I don't associate McClaren with 'appointing anyone cheap' like we expected. He's at least a functioning football manager with some knowledge and experience.

 

Maybe my expectations have been lowered too far.

I'm not sure why either, Ian.

 

I think just because he's better than people I expected us to go for, and he has some knowledge and experience. I was expecting someone who had been out of work for years or had serious mental problems.

[Mattoon]

I'm not in the McClaren out boat, don't think it would be wise at this juncture, the kind of manager we want will (a) never come here under the current regime and (b) wouldn't even be approached by the current regime. That's not to say I'm happy with the appointment or that I think we can go far with him in charge but he's a damn sight more refreshing than the last few managers.

 

If anyone could have the choice this time last year, more Pardew or McClaren there would only have been one choice. He's making the changes we want and need but will he be able to turn it round quick enough? I'm not sure, but if we do go down it'll only be what Ashley deserves.

[loki679]

It's Schteve McLaren ffs.  Sacked by championship club Derby.

 

There were a multitude of better options and we went for the cheap mate of the head scout.  I can't remember anyone piping up and saying 'another one from the old boys merry go round would be mint' when Pardew walked.  He wasn't good enough then, he's not good enough now.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There might have been a multitude of better options, but it was the worse options I was worried about. Low expectations sure, but he's better than anyone I expected us to get.

[Jesse Pinkman]

Not too sure how he can be deemed not good enough after 10 or so games when we have actually shown a vast improvement. We've gone from playing some of the most turgid football known to man to looking like a good footballing outfit but with an obviously  weak defence.

 

Is McClaren the long term future? No, but he shouldn't be sacked yet man. Any new manager would take a month or so to get to know the players. Sacking him is a recipe for relegation, especially considering who would possibly come in. We keep playing like we did Sunday and we will stay up no bother, they didn't have a sniff until that ridiculous pen decision. Fat Sam looked extremely worried.

 

One clever tactic I noticed McClaren instilled was Colback and Tiote dropping into the full back positions when Janmaat and Dummett were getting forward. It made us look a lot more solid and something Pardew would never be able to think of.

 

Considering we had 60% possession, 20 plus shots and dominated the game, what would the people wanting McClaren out change yesterday?