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Still think we should sack him.

 

I don't, the team's improving every week.The football is getting better and confidence appears to be coming back. The results just aren't there  yet.  obviously if we don't pick up a couple of wins soon then he'll be under major pressure. There's still loads of work to do But I think he'll turn it around.

 

Our defending is arguably getting much worse, conceded 2 or more in our last 6 league games.

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Still think we should sack him.

 

I don't, the team's improving every week.The football is getting better and confidence appears to be coming back. The results just aren't there  yet.  obviously if we don't pick up a couple of wins soon then he'll be under major pressure. There's still loads of work to do But I think he'll turn it around.

 

Our defending is arguably getting much worse, conceded 2 or more in our last 6 league games.

 

like I said there's still loads to work on but the football is better and is clearly improving.

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Still think we should sack him.

 

I don't, the team's improving every week.The football is getting better and confidence appears to be coming back. The results just aren't there  yet.  obviously if we don't pick up a couple of wins soon then he'll be under major pressure. There's still loads of work to do But I think he'll turn it around.

 

Our defending is arguably getting much worse, conceded 2 or more in our last 6 league games.

 

like I said there's still loads to work on but the football is better and is clearly improving.

 

I don't think it'll ever turn around enough to our liking under McClaren to be honest. I agree we shouldn't ever have hired him. I have no problems with the man himself - I think he's a good honest man who is working his ass off and our shit recruitment policies have forced him for better or worse to keep certain players or whatever. But I still think there are better managers and I'd be happy to see the back of Charnley, the board, McClaren etc.

 

I hope he proves me wrong and we go on a brilliant run of form and end season comfortably or pushing for 8-10. But I just don't see it happening unless we spend another 50M on this team in the form of GK, CB, CM, LB etc.

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At the end of the day, if you want to support this club in its current form, McClaren is the best manager we'd ever hope to hire. We had to ask him 3 times to join us too.

 

In my opinion it's utterly pointless to discuss his position as we've learnt from 4 years of discontentment under Pardew that normally unacceptable performance levels mean diddly squat to the up-aboves.

 

Either switch off or turn up, it's obvious the opinions of the fans count for shit anyway, why be unhappy about it? Eat what the shit we're shoveled, that's what we've all unwittingly signed up for.

 

Until the entire fan base, and for NUFC this means the whole city, wants rid of Ashley and comes together under one banner then a good relegation scrap is going to be the most exciting thing we can hope for.

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I think we could finish in the top 10 or even 8 under McClaren TBH, I know that's not very exciting.

 

Our centre-midfield will ensure that we're absolutely nowhere near those positions, imo. We've had some absolutely shite options at CM down the years, and whilst Colback + Anita/Tiote isn't the worst I've ever seen, it has absolutely nothing going for it. There literally isn't one stand-out attribute between them.

 

The shiteness of that partnership has a chain reaction on the rest of the team. They can't dictate the play in any way, shape or form - meaning the only time we do so comes from the right hand side. Which makes us limited, and eventually teams will be able to counter it. It also puts more pressure on the defense and, with a flailing Coloccini, it spells disaster.

 

The only way to fix the situation is through investment. We could shuffle things around and bring one of Sissoko or Wijnaldum deeper, but that then breaks up a front four that - imo - has a lot of potential.

 

If we signed one player in January it has to be a centre-mid. I really believe the whole team would improve.

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I think we could finish in the top 10 or even 8 under McClaren TBH, I know that's not very exciting.

 

Can I have a pint of what you have been on Ian mate. :)

Top ten is a dream this season. Exciting actually!

No way imo.

 

Our back 4 and midfield are piss poor.

 

We shall see.

As for playing better, I think that's more by accident than by design.

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I didn't necessarily mean this season.

 

Players don't change their style completely by accident though, McClaren is clearly trying to improve the football we're playing.

 

Maybe right mate, personally I think the pace going forward etc, on the counter attack has happened ad hoc mid game.

Boro supporting mate of mine has been screaming that he is a negative coach at me for ages.

 

Maybe I am being harsh, just don't see him inspiring improvement at all.

Fuck I just want us to use our current assets better...and invest...

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All fair points, personally I would bring Wijnaldum back deeper. What I meant was it's not McClaren holding us back.

 

Generally I agree. As far as managers go he's clearly nothing special, but I can respect some of the changes he's tried to implement. I think it's fair to assume that the changes are intended to be pretty wholesale, but as long as the stench of indifference lingers - in various forms - it was never going to be a case of flicking a switch.

 

The squad has enough talent to stay up imo. But there are gaping holes and a team mentality that's still fragile. He has the power to address both of those issues, A) by demanding investment in key areas and B) getting the existing squad properly motivated. Any inexcusable tactical brainfarts aside, I'm prepared to give him the majority of the season before making a judgement on the guy.

 

I don't think he's a bad manager.

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I didn't necessarily mean this season.

 

Players don't change their style completely by accident though, McClaren is clearly trying to improve the football we're playing.

 

Maybe right mate, personally I think the pace going forward etc, on the counter attack has happened ad hoc mid game.

Boro supporting mate of mine has been screaming that he is a negative coach at me for ages.

 

Maybe I am being harsh, just don't see him inspiring improvement at all.

f*** I just want us to use our current assets better...and invest...

 

Maybe he was negative at Boro, but that ended 10 years ago. Why is it unfathomable that a manager can learn and change his style with time or experience? I'm probably just being pedantic here, but just because he was that way with Boro 10 years ago doesn't mean he can't be trying to create an efficient attacking side here.

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A decent club wouldn't have appointed McClaren but we're not a decent club.  We're run by arseholes who are clueless and if they binned him they'd screw it up and appoint somebody worse.

 

The club is unlikely to push on with either Ashley or Charnley at the club and Bob Moncur isn't even worth talking about, he's the lowest of them all, regardless of what he did as a player.

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I genuinely think the football is improving. We were a horror show at the start of the season, but we played some great stuff yesterday, against Man City in the first half, against Chelsea in the first half and for the majority of the Norwich game.

 

We can't forget that McClaren is undoing years of Pardew's coaching and mindset. Our passing and movement is already lightyears ahead of where we were under Pardew, it's just going to take time, but the signs are good. A couple of wins out of the next four will make things look and feel better.

 

I can't deny that the defence look shoddy, but we look more cohesive as an attacking unit

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A decent club wouldn't have appointed McClaren but we're not a decent club.  We're run by arseholes who are clueless and if they binned him they'd screw it up and appoint somebody worse.

 

The club is unlikely to push on with either Ashley or Charnley at the club and Bob Moncur isn't even worth talking about, he's the lowest of them all, regardless of what he did as a player.

 

Not to be a pain in the arse, but many decent clubs have appointed McClaren.

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Not to be a pain in the arse, but many decent clubs have appointed McClaren.

 

Who are these "many"?  Also, his stock is falling with every club he goes to and leaves with his tail between his legs. 

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One thing he has over Pardew, so far anyway is the lack of 'why's he playing x?/why's he not playing y?' aside from the obvious one (Colback)

 

So far that's the most I can say about him, I haven't noticed enough about our play in general to spot any real patterns because results, performances, line ups etc haven't remained the same throughout.

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[emoji38] No chance we're sacking McClaren, man.

In your opinion obviously.

imo I think we will.

Think Jabba will act if we look like getting cast adrift. He won't risk the wonga on offer at the end of the season.

They won't sack him, not a chance, they'll spend in January to try and buy their way out of it.

 

Imperative we get 10-12 points between now and the start of January to give us a chance of getting out, not impossible imo.

 

Only thing a new manager could do at this point iyam would be to shut up shop completely and try to 0-0 and 1-0 us to January but I'm highly doubtful anyone is good enough to succeed at that with the shit in our midfield and defence.

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