Steve McClaren

[The College Dropout]

Needs to learn quickly the Anita/Colback partnership doesn't work. As much as I want Perez in the team, there's at least reasons for him not being in, but no excuse now for these two.

 

Can't think what they would be personally, he's always by far our best player. Should start all of the time.

So obvious. He looks the most like a footballer. The most likely to beat a player. The most likely to play a dangerous pass. If he knew how to I would play him at CM. Just get the lad on the ball, facing goal.

 

In 30 minutes he completed all 3 of his take-ons. Thauvin in an hour completed 0 of his 3 attempts.

[Wallsendmag]

TBF to McClaren, I'm more and more convinced that the problems on the pitch can never be put right under the current administration.

 

The poisonous anti-competitive culture that has been deliberately developed since the day Hughton was sacked can't be swept away by a few new players or even new staff. The manager's another one who wouldn't get a job anywhere else in the top flight and the players know it.

 

The best comparison is Hearts who were a joke for years under the last owner. A new lot has come in, they haven't spent a single penny on transfer fees, yet the club has been completely transformed, just from a different attitude at the top. This lot seem to think everything can be put right by playing Coloccini in the cups but they're finding out quickly that it can't.

 

Totally agree. The poison from the very top seeps all the way through the club. They can say what they like, Charnley can email the fans as many times as he wants but the anti competitive attitude the current regime have installed in the club is plain for all to see. We know the end game is at least a 17th place finish and the cups are a distraction to that and so do the players. Whoever we buy, for whatever money, that's what will be instilled into them. The good ones will get fed up and leave and we get stuck with the rest. And repeat.

[AY]

Which other team has a midfielder dropping back behind the central defenders to bring the ball forward? Such a pointless role. Colo and Mbemba are more than capable to pass forward to our midfield or fullbacks. Just dont get Anita role (still like Anita though).

 

Also - just dont get Sissoko playing on the right - I get that he can run fast, but when we signed him, i was so excited for him to play in the middle, breaking forward.

Also - dont get Gini playing in the hole. Would be a really good midfielder in my opinion.

 

Sick of players playing out of position. Would rather they learned the trade in their natural positions. Sissoko and Gini may be terrible for a few games, but think they have the tools to mature into decent midfielders

 

Same cant be said for gingerman - getting 100 games in the midfield and will just never get better.

 

1. Lots of team have anchorman dropping between centerbacks, this allows fullbacks to push up and center halves to move to wing. Usually opponent is pressing with 2 men so there is an extra man. Now West Ham let us have the ball after the goal and just prevented the passes to midfield. Mbemba was wawing players to move many times when he had the ball and had time to move with it.

 

2. Sissoko can't defend, at all. He forgets his man all the time leaves huge gaps and gets caught ball watching. He needs room to burst into and would be useful in a right side of midfield three. He is not playing as a winger and nor should he.

 

Our movement without the ball is awful, and without Mitro all the long balls are like giving the ball away. We need better movement and dropping of Mr. Hiding aka Colback.

[Lush Vlad]

Which other team has a midfielder dropping back behind the central defenders to bring the ball forward? Such a pointless role. Colo and Mbemba are more than capable to pass forward to our midfield or fullbacks. Just dont get Anita role (still like Anita though).

 

Also - just dont get Sissoko playing on the right - I get that he can run fast, but when we signed him, i was so excited for him to play in the middle, breaking forward.

Also - dont get Gini playing in the hole. Would be a really good midfielder in my opinion.

 

Sick of players playing out of position. Would rather they learned the trade in their natural positions. Sissoko and Gini may be terrible for a few games, but think they have the tools to mature into decent midfielders

 

Same cant be said for gingerman - getting 100 games in the midfield and will just never get better.

 

Errr.  In modern football.  Lots of teams have a midfielder coming deep, with the centre backs splitting and the full backs pushing on.  I actually quite like it.  The problem is, we don't really have any movement further up the pitch, or players that are confident enough to actually try and work the ball, or pass and move.

 

Too often last night.  You would see Mbemba asking players to come short and looking for the pass.  Only to have to hoof it long, as there was nothing on.  Or we just pass it sideways for ages, then give it to Krul, who invariably boots it straight off the pitch.

 

Played off the park by West Ham and raped by a chubby looking Payet.  Embarrassing.

 

EDIT - TL:DR.  See AY's post above.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Which other team has a midfielder dropping back behind the central defenders to bring the ball forward? Such a pointless role. Colo and Mbemba are more than capable to pass forward to our midfield or fullbacks. Just dont get Anita role (still like Anita though).

 

Also - just dont get Sissoko playing on the right - I get that he can run fast, but when we signed him, i was so excited for him to play in the middle, breaking forward.

Also - dont get Gini playing in the hole. Would be a really good midfielder in my opinion.

 

Sick of players playing out of position. Would rather they learned the trade in their natural positions. Sissoko and Gini may be terrible for a few games, but think they have the tools to mature into decent midfielders

 

Same cant be said for gingerman - getting 100 games in the midfield and will just never get better.

 

Errr.  In modern football.  Lots of teams have a midfielder coming deep, with the centre backs splitting and the full backs pushing on.  I actually quite like it.  The problem is, we don't really have any movement further up the pitch, or players that are confident enough to actually try and work the ball, or pass and move.

 

Too often last night.  You would see Mbemba asking players to come short and looking for the pass.  Only to have to hoof it long, as there was nothing on.  Or we just pass it sideways for ages, then give it to Krul, who invariably boots it straight off the pitch.

 

Played off the park by West Ham and raped by a chubby looking Payet.  Embarrassing.

 

EDIT - TL:DR.  See AY's post above.

 

 

This is where we're still a massive work in porgress. Would be a big help if he picked more suitable players for the 3 central roles, obviously. It's like the most key area of his plan too, so he needs to sort it ASAP.

[TRon]

AY and Nath

 

Mbemba's urging of those in front of him to make some movement was an embarrassment.

[KaKa]

I love Mbemba so much. You can just see he knows how to play and is brave as a lion.

 

Always surging forward into space, always looking to play a positive forward pass, always looking to get guys going.

 

 

[The College Dropout]

Crap header in the build up to the first though. Did another one 10 minutes later.

[prefabtoon]

McClaren failed to qualify with one of our best national squads in years, and has been sacked from 3 out of his last 4 club jobs? He's a terrible manager - Massive downgrade on Pardew.

[SEMTEX]

[Guest ElCid]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

[TRon]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

[mrmojorisin75]

I agree with what's been said about the Anita role in possession, it works and he does what is asked of him well enough, the problem is how disfunctional everything in front of him is in both attacking and defending.

 

This is not to say he's some sort of great player but he plays his limited role well enough imo.

[Guest ElCid]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

 

Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally shit and as bad as each other but in different ways.

[TRon]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

 

Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally shit and as bad as each other but in different ways.

 

Even defensive teams can be effective if they play fast counter-attacking football. I'd rather watch that than the eight man defense hoof it long to the wing tactics of the king.

[Gallowgate Toon]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

[Guest ElCid]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

 

Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally s*** and as bad as each other but in different ways.

 

Even defensive teams can be effective if they play fast counter-attacking football. I'd rather watch that than the eight man defense hoof it long to the wing tactics of the king.

 

Not when you're playing average players at best like Anita and Colback over and over again you won't and he is the man who picks them- let's see if you're saying the same in another few games as you're in for one hell of a wake up call if you really think things will improve under him.

[Guest ElCid]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

 

So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison?

[TRon]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

 

Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally s*** and as bad as each other but in different ways.

 

Even defensive teams can be effective if they play fast counter-attacking football. I'd rather watch that than the eight man defense hoof it long to the wing tactics of the king.

 

Not when you're playing average players at best like Anita and Colback over and over again you won't and he is the man who picks them- let's see if you're saying the same in another few games as you're in for one hell of a wake up call if you really think things will improve under him.

 

It won't take much to improve on Pardew mind, shit results and passing football would do that.

[Gallowgate Toon]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

 

So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison?

 

Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew?

[Guest ElCid]

 

you're laughing but they are on he same level both terrible managers who should be nowhere near his club.

 

They might be both terrible managers but they are not on the same level at all. I still reckon we'll see some decent football this season once McClaren grows a pair and picks a more attacking line up. That wasn't ever going to happen under the fraud.

 

Disagree sorry you will never see attacking football from McClaren for a start - it took him nearly 20 minutes to even change the team to a more attacking formation last night even though we were 2 - 0 down. Both totally s*** and as bad as each other but in different ways.

 

Even defensive teams can be effective if they play fast counter-attacking football. I'd rather watch that than the eight man defense hoof it long to the wing tactics of the king.

 

Not when you're playing average players at best like Anita and Colback over and over again you won't and he is the man who picks them- let's see if you're saying the same in another few games as you're in for one hell of a wake up call if you really think things will improve under him.

 

It won't take much to improve on Pardew mind, s*** results and passing football would do that.

 

Passing 10 yards backwards and sideways is not passing football though in my eyes anyway - let's just see who is right only time will tell.

[Mole_Toonfan]

It's not really relevant as i don't know about anyone else, but results were not the reason i wanted rid of Pardew even though that was obviously really shit as well.

 

But anyway i don't really want to discuss this any further tbh.

[Guest ElCid]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

 

So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison?

 

Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew?

 

You could say who has the highest  league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McClaren is better than Keegan then. I look at the whole picture when I'm comparing.

[Gallowgate Toon]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

 

So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison?

 

Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew?

 

You could sy who has the highest  league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McC;aren is better than Keegan then. I look at the who picture when I'm comparing.

 

 

The initial comparison is between McClaren and Pardew, when comparing the two directly, the fact that one has won things makes him better because they're somewhat level in other areas. That's still taking into account the bigger picture. If you asked me to compare Keegan and McClaren then I'd say Keegan because he can do more with an NUFC team than McClaren.

[Guest ElCid]

McClaren has actually won a couple of things in the game, that automatically makes him better.

 

So it makes him better than Keegan also does it going by your comparison?

 

Does it not mean McClaren's better than Pardew?

 

You could sy who has the highest  league position in England if you want to put it that way and say Pardew is but I'm not I am just saying they are both equally as s***. But of course you obviously think McC;aren is better than Keegan then. I look at the who picture when I'm comparing.

 

 

The initial comparison is between McClaren and Pardew, when comparing the two directly, the fact that one has won things makes him better because they're somewhat level in other areas. That's still taking into account the bigger picture. If you asked me to compare Keegan and McClaren then I'd say Keegan because he can do more with an NUFC team than McClaren.

 

So you're using winning more trophies when comparing one manager and then saying that doesn't apply to when you compare with another manager. Yeah right lmao-  just do like for like and give an argument as to league positions he has achieved in England which is where Newcastle play. Pardew got to a final of the FA Cup, he finished 5th in the league and is 6th in the league presently but do I say he is a good manager no but he as an overall better league record than McClaren though. You're trying to tell me that one shit manager is better than another shit manager and trying to use a League Cup win and a league championship in the Dutch league and yet when I say well if you're using that measure that also applies with someone like Keegan who never won a trophy or a league championship (and not when we were promoted either before you raise that) you try and say no it's not the same - yes it is.