KaKa Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Lucky Carr isn't mates with Kinnear then. Yes, exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 People bringing their mates in to do jobs they're not qualified for is the whole reason we're in this mess. Carr can fuck off tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Not when this arsehole is the manager it doesn't. What makes Carr this "super" scout ? because we got a bargain in Cabaye, brought in Sissoko on the cheap before his contract ran down and a few promising youngsters in Haidara and Perez ? There's really not much else of note on his resume, remember the team he's helped to build has finished 16th, 10th and 15th in the last 3 season (under awful management but still there has been an acknowledgment that the squad has simply not been good enough). Is this really better than the scouting they have at clubs like Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace or any other club that finished way above us last year. "Jobs for the boys" very rarely if ever works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 People bringing their mates in to do jobs they're not qualified for is the whole reason we're in this mess. Carr can fuck off tbh. Just sacked from a championship club ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. I have defended Carr plenty in the (even recent) past, but I agree his role in this charade is quite contemptible. With his knowledge of European football you would have expected him to be able to pinpoint an up and coming manager that fits the profile, rather than a past it mate of his. Smacks of putting his personal priorities above that off the club, something I was confident he off all people in charge at the club was not interested in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As much as he'd be undewelming, I'd get behind McClaren, according to Derby fans he played decent football, and will be a damn sight better then any thing we've had In the last 5 years. I just want to look forward to Newcastle games again, and at least with McClaren it'd be a fresh start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Not when this arsehole is the manager it doesn't. What makes Carr this "super" scout ? because we got a bargain in Cabaye, brought in Sissoko on the cheap before his contract ran down and a few promising youngsters in Haidara and Perez ? There's really not much else of note on his resume, remember the team he's helped to build has finished 16th, 10th and 15th in the last 3 season (under awful management but still there has been an acknowledgment that the squad has simply not been good enough). Is this really better than the scouting they have at clubs like Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace or any other club that finished way above us last year. "Jobs for the boys" very rarely if ever works. Carr isn't going anywhere though, so you might as well bring in someone that will work with him, surely?! IMO Carr has done a good job getting players in, and it's a damn shame they haven't been used properly for the most part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. I have defended Carr plenty in the (even recent) past, but I agree his role in this charade is quite contemptible. With his knowledge of European football you would have expected him to be able to pinpoint an up and coming manager that fits the profile, rather than a past it mate of his. Smacks of putting his personal priorities above that off the club, something I was confident he off all people in charge at the club was not interested in. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The lesser of two evil's is Schteve McLaren. Him or Carver. What a choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's the complete lack of foresight as to what our 'rivals' are doing that pisses me off. At this rate West Ham and the Mackems will have made far better appointments than Championship cast offs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Not when this arsehole is the manager it doesn't. What makes Carr this "super" scout ? because we got a bargain in Cabaye, brought in Sissoko on the cheap before his contract ran down and a few promising youngsters in Haidara and Perez ? There's really not much else of note on his resume, remember the team he's helped to build has finished 16th, 10th and 15th in the last 3 season (under awful management but still there has been an acknowledgment that the squad has simply not been good enough). Is this really better than the scouting they have at clubs like Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace or any other club that finished way above us last year. "Jobs for the boys" very rarely if ever works. Carr isn't going anywhere though, so you might as well bring in someone that will work with him, surely?! IMO Carr has done a good job getting players in, and it's a damn shame they haven't been used properly for the most part. A chief scout is far less important than a good manager. If needs be peddle him and get a chief scout in who is willing to work for the good of the club rather than getting his mates a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 It's the complete lack of foresight as to what our 'rivals' are doing that pisses me off. At this rate West Ham and the Mackems will have made far better appointments than Championship cast offs They have some sporting ambition unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. I have defended Carr plenty in the (even recent) past, but I agree his role in this charade is quite contemptible. With his knowledge of European football you would have expected him to be able to pinpoint an up and coming manager that fits the profile, rather than a past it mate of his. Smacks of putting his personal priorities above that off the club, something I was confident he off all people in charge at the club was not interested in. Yeah, would have been nice to have him bring in someone up and coming that was more exciting, but I blame Pardew for this in all honesty. The misuse of the players probably having him want to play it safer with someone that he knows will definitely be on the same wavelength, and not just claim to be while causing issues behind the scenes. Whole situation is messed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As much as he'd be undewelming, I'd get behind McClaren, according to Derby fans he played decent football, and will be a damn sight better then any thing we've had In the last 5 years. I just want to look forward to Newcastle games again, and at least with McClaren it'd be a fresh start. Yeah this is a fair comment. There are certainly worse appointments out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Not when this arsehole is the manager it doesn't. What makes Carr this "super" scout ? because we got a bargain in Cabaye, brought in Sissoko on the cheap before his contract ran down and a few promising youngsters in Haidara and Perez ? There's really not much else of note on his resume, remember the team he's helped to build has finished 16th, 10th and 15th in the last 3 season (under awful management but still there has been an acknowledgment that the squad has simply not been good enough). Is this really better than the scouting they have at clubs like Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace or any other club that finished way above us last year. "Jobs for the boys" very rarely if ever works. Carr isn't going anywhere though, so you might as well bring in someone that will work with him, surely?! IMO Carr has done a good job getting players in, and it's a damn shame they haven't been used properly for the most part. I still stand by what I said earlier regarding Carr being an excellent scout for our model. It's not just the good players we brought in, but also the good players he identified early when they were still attainable, such as Aubameyang, Thauvin and Lacazette to name just a few. If anything, they club should have put more trust in him and not be so inflexible in their valuations the squad could have been much stronger, league results much better and they would have made an even bigger killing in the transfer market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 What do you expect Carr to do? He's go this own job of getting good players in, which he will feel he has been doing, while the managers have made them look bad. Of course he's going to want to work with someone he knows and can have discussions about how to maximize the potential of the players being brought in. Ultimately things will work best if Carr and the manager are on the same page to be honest. Not when this arsehole is the manager it doesn't. What makes Carr this "super" scout ? because we got a bargain in Cabaye, brought in Sissoko on the cheap before his contract ran down and a few promising youngsters in Haidara and Perez ? There's really not much else of note on his resume, remember the team he's helped to build has finished 16th, 10th and 15th in the last 3 season (under awful management but still there has been an acknowledgment that the squad has simply not been good enough). Is this really better than the scouting they have at clubs like Southampton, Swansea, Crystal Palace or any other club that finished way above us last year. "Jobs for the boys" very rarely if ever works. Carr isn't going anywhere though, so you might as well bring in someone that will work with him, surely?! IMO Carr has done a good job getting players in, and it's a damn shame they haven't been used properly for the most part. A chief scout is far less important than a good manager. If needs be peddle him and get a chief scout in who is willing to work for the good of the club rather than getting his mates a job. Absolutely, madness having a structure where the manager has to get on with the chief scout in order to be in consideration for the role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As much as he'd be undewelming, I'd get behind McClaren, according to Derby fans he played decent football, and will be a damn sight better then any thing we've had In the last 5 years. I just want to look forward to Newcastle games again, and at least with McClaren it'd be a fresh start. Yeah this is a fair comment. There are certainly worse appointments out there. What a time to be alive eh? It could have been worse. Well thats me convinced, am off to the Box Office...... The bloody fixtures come out in two weeks(17th) and we could still be in this position of no manager/HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I was talking to the chief steward of Derby today and these are his thoughts: Overall sad to see McClaren go as on the whole he improved the team, although he is optimistic for Clement, who he sees as someone that will build on McClaren's work. They played some nice, attacking football and were clearly well coached. Weakest area he felt were defense as the coaching time was made up of midfield coaches and a keeper coach, no defensive specialist. Nigel Clough helped stop the rot and steadied the team, however it was McClaren that pushed the team on. He has very good contacts in the game and this was hugely beneficial in the transfer market and with scouting. The players had respect for McClaren due to his experience and knowledge of the game. Generally fairly positive stuff, but like everyone has said, it's just such an uninspiring appointment compared to who we could get. He'll be better than Pardew in my opinion, but I'm only basing that off his successes. Looking at his career there's a hell of a lot of failure in there too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If we get McClaren I could really see him do well. I really could. Quite awful that he is being compared to Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I was talking to the chief steward of Derby today and these are his thoughts: Overall sad to see McClaren go as on the whole he improved the team, although he is optimistic for Clement, who he sees as someone that will build on McClaren's work. They played some nice, attacking football and were clearly well coached. Weakest area he felt were defense as the coaching time was made up of midfield coaches and a keeper coach, no defensive specialist. Nigel Clough helped stop the rot and steadied the team, however it was McClaren that pushed the team on. He has very good contacts in the game and this was hugely beneficial in the transfer market and with scouting. The players had respect for McClaren due to his experience and knowledge of the game. Generally fairly positive stuff, but like everyone has said, it's just such an uninspiring appointment compared to who we could get. He'll be better than Pardew in my opinion, but I'm only basing that off his successes. Looking at his career there's a hell of a lot of failure in there too. I can see why Derby County players would respect McClaren's experience and knowledge of the game, what with them being Championship players and him having managed at a higher level, but I don't think the same will apply here at all sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 To avoid shit loads of abuse after 10 games of dull football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I only see .com who are confident enough of saying this is a done deal. Yesterday,when they reported Viera was in talks with us, they were dismissed as not being a reliable source anymore. And thier Viera story has since been taken down. So should we trust this McClaren stuff too? They also once told us that Deco was signing. I can't remember a time when one of their stories happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-united-not-any-immediate-9376056 Well ... that's interesting hopefully Carver will be told he's been sacked, because Garde wants to bring in his own people. If carver gets the gig that's it for me. I will pray we get beat to a pulp every single game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I'm going to be honest, I think he'd be a good appointment. With the experience he has, if he can put it to good use here, then his sides recently have played some nice stuff, and if Ashley backs him and Carr, I hope there will be good times ahead. Of course there is literally a Home Counties white elephant in the room in my hopes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-united-not-any-immediate-9376056 Well ... that's interesting hopefully Carver will be told he's been sacked, because Garde wants to bring in his own people. If carver gets the gig that's it for me. I will pray we get beat to a pulp every single game. You won't need to pray, it'll be a certainty anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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