TRon Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 hours ago, STM said: I agree with him, most of the women pundits aren't qualified whatsoever to talk about football at the highest level. However, a lot of the male pundits they have are also unqualified, largely because they are thick as shite. That's the thing though, I do find the female commentators a bit jarring, but the pundits are often more analytical than their male counterparts, a lot of whom, as you rightly say, are thick as shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 All complete bollocks, this. Plenty of people who are shit at football can make well observed points, irrelevant what sex they are. You don't need to be of an equivalent footballing quality to talk about a player/game. It's a laughable position to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLUMPO235 Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Not sure I agree with him. I want the best commentator for the job. That doesn’t always mean they have to have the experience of playing at that level. I can’t say I would be unhappy watching a CL final and they invited an ex nufc player who hadn’t won or played in the CL. Sorry les Ferdinand, you’ve spoilt this. BUT, back to the best person for the job, I don’t support a token woman if she is terrible. Pick the best people, some of the women are fine. But like the men, some are awful. Just sort the quality control out. someone entertaining is just as important to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: All complete bollocks, this. Plenty of people who are shit at football can make well observed points, irrelevant what sex they are. You don't need to be of an equivalent footballing quality to talk about a player/game. It's a laughable position to take. This is it. I’m a bit surprised about the misogynistic shite on this thread so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Thomson Mouse said: This is it. I’m a bit surprised about the misogynistic shite on this thread so far Still loads of it about unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 A little surprised to hear people agree with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Nothing misogynistic about preferring male commentators to female ones . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orphanage said: Nothing misogynistic about preferring male commentators to female ones . Yes there is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) I can understand the logic of a woman who played in the WSL, especially well before its current peak, commenting on elite men's football and some people having an issue with it. Its similar to what John Terry said about Robbie Savage commenting on title races and the Champions League when he has no experience of either. I don't really agree with that thinking but I understand why he thinks that way. But I disagree with the notion female pundits have no place in the men's game. They've still dedicated their lives to football and know the game better than most, and tbh most come across far better than some of the men doing punditry anyway. I'd have the likes of Karen Carney commenting on a match over clowns like Robbie Savage and Michael Owen any day of the week. There's also the symbolism of having women around men's football too which is very important in breaking down barriers for women following football in general. I still know plenty of idiots who think women can't even comment on football or if they do their opinions aren't taken seriously simply because they're a woman and what would a woman know about football? If having women commentating, doing punditry etc helps eradicate that kind of thinking then I'm all for it. Young people are growing up now being used to seeing women in and around football coverage and should hopefully never think like that. Another point is that people put way too much stock in punditry. A football match is about the 90 minutes on the pitch, who really gives a shite about what happens before, after and during half-time? Half the time pundits are just saying daft shite to get a video trending on social media, its becoming more and more performance art than anything that should be taken seriously. Edited October 5, 2023 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Hmm I’m not sure we would be so forgiving if Alex Ferguson had said that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: Yes there is. Go on then explain why me preferring male commentators on mens football makes me ( or anyone else ) a misogynist . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Orphanage said: Go on then explain why me preferring male commentators on mens football makes me ( or anyone else ) a misogynist . Ok then, I will. If your preference for a commentator is based on their sex, and you prefer male commentators for no other reason than because they're male, that's prejudice against women because they're women, which is misogyny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 A blanket position of not liking or always preferring male commentators over female is misogynist. If it’s on the grounds of particular pundits then that may well not be misogynistic however if it’s coming from a place where you’ve already decided you don’t want women pundits then it’s clearly biased. There are some good women pundits and some shit ones. There are some good male pundits and some shit ones. Don’t really care who’s talking about the football in all honesty as long as people aren’t having shit takes and don’t have horrible personalities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: Yes there is. A preference for men over women is misogynistic? So gay men are misogynistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Adam P said: A preference for men over women is misogynistic? So gay men are misogynistic? Shut up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said: Ok then, I will. If your preference for a commentator is based on their sex, and you prefer male commentators for no other reason than because they're male, that's prejudice against women because they're women, which is misogyny. Misogyny is hatred for women . Theres no hatred in having a preference for men commentating on mens football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Adam P said: A preference for men over women is misogynistic? So gay men are misogynistic? thanks for adding to the debate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam P Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 A strong preference for men over women was called something else when i was a kid. I am not saying Keegan is gay before anyone starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Orphanage said: Misogyny is hatred for women . Theres no hatred in having a preference for men commentating on mens football So you're not misogynist, you're just prejudiced against women? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 He’s entitled to his opinion without people getting so upset about it, or it being even remotely considered controversial. Female pundits have not lived the same experience as the top level men when offering opinions on men’s football. The same could be said for men commenting on the women’s game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 I don't hate you, I just think men are better because they're men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, NUFC_Chris said: He’s entitled to his opinion without people getting so upset about it, or it being even remotely considered controversial. Female pundits have not lived the same experience as the top level men when offering opinions on men’s football. The same could be said for men commenting on the women’s game. No-one's taking away his entitlement, I'm saying his opinion is shit. No-one's lived the same experience as anyone else. Edited October 5, 2023 by Dr Venkman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Adam P said: I am not saying Keegan is gay before anyone starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 Just now, Dr Venkman said: So you're not misogynist, you're just prejudiced against women? Nope . Im pro men commentating on mens football . I dont see the sudden need for female pundits or commentators in the mens game . Its a solution to a problem that doesnt exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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