vicente_14 Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Does anyone think we could get Manuel Fernandes? He's at Everton only on loan from Valencia, and would be an excellent addition. Didn't Valencia spend something like £12m on him? Maybe a bit too expensive for someone like him I think, but then again I haven't seen him on that many occasions. They did pay quite a bit for him, £17m I think! Thats what stopped him joining Portsmouth when he was on loan there, he had some clause in his contract that meant Pompey had to pay £12m if he played a certain amount of games. But he was out of favour at Valencia, Koemen didn't fancy him and let him out on loan. I don't think he would cost anywhere near as much because Valencia are heavily in debt. Although the fact Koemen probably won't be sticking around might change everything. A player i would love to see us sign. Could certainly be the creative playmaking type that we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 No clear out needed. Harper Beye Faye Ben Haim Enrique Carrick Kranjcar Barton Martins Viduka Owen Ben Haim 7m Carrick 14m Kranjcar 8m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Krancjar wouldn't work there imo, he's slow as fuck. Got a nice touch, decent pass and vision etc. but not suited to that position at all. I'd be tempted to have a look at Appiah for that position, not seen him play for about a year now mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Krancjar wouldn't work there imo, he's slow as fuck. Got a nice touch, decent pass and vision etc. but not suited to that position at all. I'd be tempted to have a look at Appiah for that position, not seen him play for about a year now mind. IMO 3 in midfield works like this; DM- Someone who sweeps us the play, wins possesion and provides for others to attack i.e Carrick, Makelele, Hargreaves CM- Box to Box player someone with energy and drive who commits to both attack and defence i.e Essien or Barton in our case AM- Someone whos main priority is the assist the attacking players, for me Kranjcar (sp) would be ideal, as you say great passer and great vision, pace not vital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hahnemann no chance, IMO he's worse than both Given and Harper (although Shay is in bad form). He's a decent stopper but nothing like the level we need. Also, if Reading stay up I imagine he'll finish his career there. One area we don't need to worry about is goalkeeping, Harper and Given are perfectly capable premiership keepers, add to that the potential of Krul, Forster and Soderberg. Surely there are more pressing concerns than the GK spot ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 SWP seems like just the sort of signing KK would make, ticks all the right boxes. In the same way I feared Smith would end up here when he bcame available, I just have a feeling SWP will come here although I'd be a lot happier about it. He'd be perfect in the role Owen is playing at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. if Faye is a squad player, the rest are championship players.. or wait.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen Not to different to the side i suggested, i recommendated Dunne in another thread. Mind you i don't think SWP and Zoggy would have enough bite, plenty of pace mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teabag Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen i dont rate dunne and i cant see us getting carrick or SWP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. Complete overhaul worked for Spurs under Jol, and City under Sven. It only doesn't work if you do it badly. Barton has had a couple of good games, he still has below par talent for me and is a mere grafter. I don't think we can go out and sign Vidic and Ferdinand, i just said that Carrick is unrealistic ffs. And yes Mellberg is better than Faye, he would be a good signing if he wasn't going to Juventus. And i know the midfield is largely to blame for our poor defence, i've said it all season, this is partly why Barton shouldn't be a first teamer. All season he has been losing the ball in the middle of the pitch, been getting caught in possession, and passing to the opposition. Faye is a decent player, but he is clumsy ast times and his positioning isn't great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen i dont rate dunne and i cant see us getting carrick or SWP Dunne isnt the best but probably the most realistic option Carrick maybe out of our league at this minute SWP would be realistic i think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teabag Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teabag Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen i dont rate dunne and i cant see us getting carrick or SWP Dunne isnt the best but probably the most realistic option Carrick maybe out of our league at this minute SWP would be realistic i think tbh i think id rather have bentley over SWP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Providing we stay up would like to see something like this Given Beye Faye Dunne Enrique Carrick SWP Zoggy Martins Viduka Owen i dont rate dunne and i cant see us getting carrick or SWP Dunne isnt the best but probably the most realistic option Carrick maybe out of our league at this minute SWP would be realistic i think tbh i think id rather have bentley over SWP I wouldnt complain over any to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. Complete overhaul worked for Spurs under Jol, and City under Sven. It only doesn't work if you do it badly. Barton has had a couple of good games, he still has below par talent for me and is a mere grafter. I don't think we can go out and sign Vidic and Ferdinand, i just said that Carrick is unrealistic ffs. And yes Mellberg is better than Faye, he would be a good signing if he wasn't going to Juventus. And i know the midfield is largely to blame for our poor defence, i've said it all season, this is partly why Barton shouldn't be a first teamer. All season he has been losing the ball in the middle of the pitch, been getting caught in possession, and passing to the opposition. Faye is a decent player, but he is clumsy ast times and his positioning isn't great. Citeh have largley used players they had previous to Sven arriving, even those signings who were playing well have dipped in form massively. I can't remember Spurs having a huge turnover in players, in their first team, alot of midfielders IIRC. Like i say i think Barton is far more than a grafter but we will have to disagree. When i said Vidic and Ferdinand i was reffering to the Faye subject and who we could realistically replace him with. Personally i believe he needs a partner alongside who is of a simiar standard but with a better brain. I don't think Mellberg is any better but has been playing in a far more compact Villa side, Faye would have done the same. As for Carrick, i agree he is a touch unrealistic but so were Owen, Luque, Duff and Martins until they walked through the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Are Bramble and O'Brien better than Faye and Taylor? If you answer yes you want shot. We performed all right with those two here behind a class midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Wes Brown although i dont want him will probably lining up in our back four next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teabag Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Are Bramble and O'Brien better than Faye and Taylor? If you answer yes you want shot. We performed all right with those two here behind a class midfield. who was our class midfield? cant remember us having one of those Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 Wes Brown although i dont want him will probably lining up in our back four next season He's one of those i would always worry about because he's an ex manc. I think people have judged him a little harshly this season because he's been playing at right back. He's the intellegent sort of defender who would complement Faye but he's injury prone and i would like us to look elsewhere. For a free he would hardly be a shocking signing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Are Bramble and O'Brien better than Faye and Taylor? If you answer yes you want shot. We performed all right with those two here behind a class midfield. who was our class midfield? cant remember us having one of those ok...so our two centre halves were shite when we finished 3rd and our midfield was just alreet? we must have been lucky as fuck then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Are Bramble and O'Brien better than Faye and Taylor? If you answer yes you want shot. We performed all right with those two here behind a class midfield. who was our class midfield? cant remember us having one of those You taking the piss. Speed, Dyer, JJ at the time were getting us in the top four, or is that not good enough for you now? I believe we played Inter Milan with a back four of; Griffin Hughes Bramble Bernard and drew 2-2 in the san siro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teabag Posted April 1, 2008 Share Posted April 1, 2008 That's a depressing team tbh. Carrick is unrealistic, Viduka is hardly ever fit, Barton is mediocre, and Faye is a squad player. We can't let a couple of good wins paper over the cracks, we still need alot of changes in the summer. Bollocks, complete over haul has never worked. In your opinion Barton is mediocre. For me he's in good form and can get better and better with the right coaching. Do seriously believe we can go out and sign ferdinand and vidic standard for next season? If not that standard what? I suppose you believe someone like Melberg is better than Faye? Us conceeding goals has been down to the midfield not the personnel in defence. us conceeding goals is down to our centrebacks being useless Are Bramble and O'Brien better than Faye and Taylor? If you answer yes you want shot. We performed all right with those two here behind a class midfield. who was our class midfield? cant remember us having one of those You taking the piss. Speed, Dyer, JJ at the time were getting us in the top four, or is that not good enough for you now? I believe we played Inter Milan with a back four of; Griffin Hughes Bramble Bernard and drew 2-2 in the san siro dyer and jenas class? i dont think so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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