With Owen's contract running out..

[Benwell Lad]

I'm not going to be picky about it or anything.

 

In general, Owen was giving sub-par performances at a time when we were relying on him in-particular... given the other strikers' injury/absence/ineptness.

 

What about Shearer 97/98? Like Owen, had just came back from main injuries, like Owen, was playing in a sh*t Newcastle side, and scored 2 league goals in about 18-20 games. Don't remember Shearer getting the same criticism.

 

Good point. Shearer scored about 30 the year after.

 

And although I don't think he'll get that many (but he never has even at his peak), I'd predict Owen to get himself 20 in a Keegan team.

 

I agree he will almost certainly get you 20 goals a season and to guarantee that nowadays you'd need to be spending wacky Drogba or Eto type money, so he may not be such bad value after all.

The option would be to take a gamble, perhaps like our neighbours have in spending £12M on Jones and Chopra, and see how many goals that would buy you..............

[Baggio]

I'm not going to be picky about it or anything.

 

In general, Owen was giving sub-par performances at a time when we were relying on him in-particular... given the other strikers' injury/absence/ineptness.

 

What about Shearer 97/98? Like Owen, had just came back from main injuries, like Owen, was playing in a sh*t Newcastle side, and scored 2 league goals in about 18-20 games. Don't remember Shearer getting the same criticism.

 

Good point. Shearer scored about 30 the year after.

 

And although I don't think he'll get that many (but he never has even at his peak), I'd predict Owen to get himself 20 in a Keegan team.

 

I agree he will almost certainly get you 20 goals a season and to guarantee that nowadays you'd need to be spending wacky Drogba or Eto type money, so he may not be such bad value after all.

The option would be to take a gamble, perhaps like our neighbours have in spending £12M on Jones and Chopra, and see how many goals that would buy you..............

 

He isn't almost certain to get you 20 goals at all and to suggest we'd have to spend on a Drogba or Eto'o type signing to replace him is living in a dreamland.

 

A few good games against shite teams and typical of people on here they go way over the top.

[steve_69]

I'm still undecided. He's looked better in the last two games but I reckon we should see what he does between now and the end of the season before making a decision.

If we're going to continue with this formation i'd rather we got rid and brought in Walcott to replace him.

[biggs]

you need to keep owen to get better players to commit to the club imo

totally agree ,sell Owen and what does that tell players with ambition about our club.

[Dave]

you need to keep owen to get better players to commit to the club imo

 

That's a very good point. Like him or not, Michael Owen is still the jewel in the NUFC crown. He's the highest-profile player we have, our record transfer (), and still a huge draw.

[steve_69]

Surely it tells players that we're a serious club that won't offer someone a new contract based on his reputation.

 

[Benwell Lad]

I'm not going to be picky about it or anything.

 

In general, Owen was giving sub-par performances at a time when we were relying on him in-particular... given the other strikers' injury/absence/ineptness.

 

What about Shearer 97/98? Like Owen, had just came back from main injuries, like Owen, was playing in a sh*t Newcastle side, and scored 2 league goals in about 18-20 games. Don't remember Shearer getting the same criticism.

 

Good point. Shearer scored about 30 the year after.

 

And although I don't think he'll get that many (but he never has even at his peak), I'd predict Owen to get himself 20 in a Keegan team.

 

I agree he will almost certainly get you 20 goals a season and to guarantee that nowadays you'd need to be spending wacky Drogba or Eto type money, so he may not be such bad value after all.

The option would be to take a gamble, perhaps like our neighbours have in spending £12M on Jones and Chopra, and see how many goals that would buy you..............

 

He isn't almost certain to get you 20 goals at all and to suggest we'd have to spend on a Drogba or Eto'o type signing to replace him is living in a dreamland.

 

A few good games against s**** teams and typical of people on here they go way over the top.

 

First of all I'm neither typical of people on here, we all have our own minds, nor living in a dreamland.

I don't know, nor for that matter particularly care if you actually watch Michael Owen, but in my opinion he is a cut above anything else at Newcastle, and that is based more on his special ability rather than anyone else's shortcomings.

If you had watched him you'd have noticed how much of a team player he is, how well he uses the ball and his uncanny knack of getting in the right place before a defender against all teams.

His goal ratio at Newcastle would indicate that injury free he IS ALMOST CERTAIN to get 20 goals in a season.

 

And by the way, don't know how many matches you attend but trust me there are no "s**** teams" in today's Premiership.

[Dr Venkman]

I'm not going to be picky about it or anything.

 

In general, Owen was giving sub-par performances at a time when we were relying on him in-particular... given the other strikers' injury/absence/ineptness.

 

What about Shearer 97/98? Like Owen, had just came back from main injuries, like Owen, was playing in a sh*t Newcastle side, and scored 2 league goals in about 18-20 games. Don't remember Shearer getting the same criticism.

 

Good point. Shearer scored about 30 the year after.

 

And although I don't think he'll get that many (but he never has even at his peak), I'd predict Owen to get himself 20 in a Keegan team.

 

I agree he will almost certainly get you 20 goals a season and to guarantee that nowadays you'd need to be spending wacky Drogba or Eto type money, so he may not be such bad value after all.

The option would be to take a gamble, perhaps like our neighbours have in spending £12M on Jones and Chopra, and see how many goals that would buy you..............

 

He isn't almost certain to get you 20 goals at all and to suggest we'd have to spend on a Drogba or Eto'o type signing to replace him is living in a dreamland.

 

A few good games against s**** teams and typical of people on here they go way over the top.

 

First of all I'm neither typical of people on here, we all have our own minds, nor living in a dreamland.

I don't know, nor for that matter particularly care if you actually watch Michael Owen, but in my opinion he is a cut above anything else at Newcastle, and that is based more on his special ability rather than anyone else's shortcomings.

If you had watched him you'd have noticed how much of a team player he is, how well he uses the ball and his uncanny knack of getting in the right place before a defender against all teams.

His goal ratio at Newcastle would indicate that injury free he IS ALMOST CERTAIN to get 20 goals in a season.

 

And by the way, don't know how many matches you attend but trust me there are no "s**** teams" in today's Premiership.

 

totally agree (with the exception of the almost certain bit, but thats nit-picking) and for what its worth i've been talking about owen's contribution to the team as a whole, dropping deep, keeping posession, for fucking ages

[Guest rebel_yell12]

Injury free? No doubt -- Keep him.  Not going to get any other of his quality, on any wages, to come to a club that's finished below 10th two seasons running.

 

His wages aren't my concern.  Ticket prices aren't going up, so clearly fans are not paying for his wages -- Ashley is, and if that's how he wants to spend his money, I won't say nay.  My concern is his quality and his dependability.  The first is undeniable, that second bit though...if he lasts out the rest of this season without incident or injury I'd be comfortable concluding that the major injuries are behind him and thus Newcastle should re-sign him.  The only problem with that theory of course is that there may be a few other clubs, like Everton and ManCity, that are watching him for just the same evidence that the worst of his injuries are behind him. 

 

Apparently his buy-out clause has expired entirely, but I think Newcastle would be hard pressed to get more than 8 mil for him with only one season left on his contract.  Would "recouping" that amout be worth the loss of the goals, and the likelihood that Owen would return to his old "hat-trick against Newcastle" ways?  If Keegan wants to keep him, I think it'd be best if Owen is retained at NUFC. 

 

Would feelings change if Owen's performances remain high, and his goals drag Newcastle comfortably away from relegation?  Martins seems to have earned a lot of people's affection due to the perception that he kept Newcastle up last year.  If Owen does as much this year, will he command the same sentiment?  Give the lad until the end of the season, then make the decision.

[Mowen]

The main reason I'd look to keep him is that if we were to sell him, we'd have to spend a fair wedge more than we'd receive to adequately replace him in terms of quality.

[Optimistic Nut]

I wonder when the last time Owen had an unbroken spell of playing football like the one he has done? Must be talking 4-5 years at least.

[Tsunami]

There should be an option for renew on a similar deal. He'll not take a lower deal as he'd get better elsewhere, if we let his contract run out he'll go. We should try and extend it for similar money, this would give us the ability to attract a transfer fee should he then go & we wouldn't be over rewarding for the return we've had from his performances so far.

 

We really should not simply allow his contract to run out; if he chooses to do so then so be it.

 

He impressed me against Fulham - never seen him work harder for the club & it was good to see.

 

I have relations who know a Toon legend (I know but it is true & I'd rather not say names - no not Shearer) who reckons Owen is about that only player in the squad who is putting it in day in day out & that the rest are mostly absolute shite. Might sound obvious but hopefully we will see action in the summer.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

 

He isn't almost certain to get you 20 goals at all and to suggest we'd have to spend on a Drogba or Eto'o type signing to replace him is living in a dreamland.

 

A few good games against shite teams and typical of people on here they go way over the top.

 

Exactly.  We're talking about a player who hasn't ever scored 20 league goals in a season, and isn't the same player that he was when he might have.

[Benwell Lad]

There should be an option for renew on a similar deal. He'll not take a lower deal as he'd get better elsewhere, if we let his contract run out he'll go. We should try and extend it for similar money, this would give us the ability to attract a transfer fee should he then go & we wouldn't be over rewarding for the return we've had from his performances so far.

 

We really should not simply allow his contract to run out; if he chooses to do so then so be it.

 

He impressed me against Fulham - never seen him work harder for the club & it was good to see.

 

I have relations who know a Toon legend (I know but it is true & I'd rather not say names - no not Shearer) who reckons Owen is about that only player in the squad who is putting it in day in day out & that the rest are mostly absolute s****. Might sound obvious but hopefully we will see action in the summer.

 

So you have relations who know Beardsley then.

[Optimistic Nut]

 

He isn't almost certain to get you 20 goals at all and to suggest we'd have to spend on a Drogba or Eto'o type signing to replace him is living in a dreamland.

 

A few good games against s**** teams and typical of people on here they go way over the top.

 

Exactly.  We're talking about a player who hasn't ever scored 20 league goals in a season, and isn't the same player that he was when he might have.

 

You make that sound like it's a bad thing. In 3 seasons he scored 19 (so exactly a 1 every 2), and in others has 15+.

[Guest SpinTheBlackCircle]

Let`s sell our only good player.

[GM]

Let`s sell our only good player.

 

This thread's not about N'Zogbia.

[Kimbo]

Let`s sell our only good player.

 

What about Owen though?

[Ronaldo]

or Martins

[Shearergol]

Let`s sell our only good player.

 

This thread's not about N'Zogbia.

 

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If N'Zogbia is our best player then we should be ready to play in the Championship next season. You might as well of said Emre

 

 

[Skirge]

Will everyone hate him again if he plays tonight and gets injured ?

[ElDiablo]

Will everyone hate him again if he plays tonight and gets injured ?

 

Would be bloody typical that, fucked again just as he's getting into his stride.

[Guest shaun11177]

I think Ashley will pay for the transfer fees next season but the wages will have  to be self-financing and come out of the actual income of the club. There is no way when the income of the club is 80m will Ashley sanction 100m in wages So if KK wants to keep Owen then fine-the 100000 comes out of the wages budget.

The best way forward is an incentive based contract-60000 a week basic-you score 15 league goals you get another 1m-we qualify for Uefa Cup-you get another 1m.

[Kimbo]

I think Ashley will pay for the transfer fees next season but the wages will have  to be self-financing and come out of the actual income of the club. There is no way when the income of the club is 80m will Ashley sanction 100m in wages So if KK wants to keep Owen then fine-the 100000 comes out of the wages budget.

The best way forward is an incentive based contract-60000 a week basic-you score 15 league goals you get another 1m-we qualify for Uefa Cup-you get another 1m.

 

A non champions league club paying a player over 100k a week is pure lunacy IMO. To me that should be a massive obstacle as he's not worth anywhere near that.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I think Ashley will pay for the transfer fees next season but the wages will have  to be self-financing and come out of the actual income of the club. There is no way when the income of the club is 80m will Ashley sanction 100m in wages So if KK wants to keep Owen then fine-the 100000 comes out of the wages budget.

The best way forward is an incentive based contract-60000 a week basic-you score 15 league goals you get another 1m-we qualify for Uefa Cup-you get another 1m.

 

But why should an experienced international player agree to a deal like that?