Mike Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Sam's idea of success is a bunch of 6'6 players heading the ball to one another until it eventually ends up in goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 If I was looking to hire a prospective manager for my company the first quality I would look for is his ability to blame everyone else when something goes wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 What does "everyone" know that i don't know? I feel i'm out of the loop. Me too. I don't really know what he's getting at. As Wullie says, most of the players he bought were made to work by Keegan. It's not like people started off saying we were right to sack him then were proved wrong. To be fair he had 22 games - obviously made some silly mistakes but id hardly say he was a failure. Bare in mind Keegan didnt nothing agsint opponents in the top half, hardly enough evidence to suggest that he was a guarantued failure - definitiely no evidence to suggest Keegan will be a guranateed success. Bit of a red herring, that. Keegan came in with moral and orginisation at rock bottom with a run of games against the best in the league. Bit of a big ask to expect him to turn things around to the point were we're getting results from the likes of Arsenal, Manure, Chelsea, Villa or Everton.. The teams we needed to get results from were the teams around us and we did that. Under that fat c*** we couldn't even beat Derby or Stoke. He made us into a f***ing awful team, a shambles, that's failure in my book.. Ok....no doubt it was an incredibly poor start, but the general consensus amongst the fans were that he may of suceeded eventually - even today i bet there'd be some people who would admit that he may of suceeded eventually, hardly the definition of failure. Same cant be said for someone like Souness- now thats the definition of failure. I know a lot of fans thought that for a time. But I think just about everyone had given him up as a failure in his last few games. He may not have been quite as much of a failure as Souness (honestly its a close call, but I suppose Souness was backed with much more money..) but I still don't see how his time here was anything but a failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 When you go to Derby hoping for a draw your career is f***ed. To think that was only his 5th game after a decent start as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 i'll pay attention to what he says when he learns the offside rule tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I think everyone realises now that what happened at Newcastle wasn't down to me" Allardyce said Amazing. They say your memory can reconstruct painful events to make them more palatable. Sam has just proved it beyond doubt for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 What does "everyone" know that i don't know? I feel i'm out of the loop. Me too. I don't really know what he's getting at. As Wullie says, most of the players he bought were made to work by Keegan. It's not like people started off saying we were right to sack him then were proved wrong. To be fair he had 22 games - obviously made some silly mistakes but id hardly say he was a failure. Bare in mind Keegan didnt nothing agsint opponents in the top half, hardly enough evidence to suggest that he was a guarantued failure - definitiely no evidence to suggest Keegan will be a guranateed success. Bit of a red herring, that. Keegan came in with moral and orginisation at rock bottom with a run of games against the best in the league. Bit of a big ask to expect him to turn things around to the point were we're getting results from the likes of Arsenal, Manure, Chelsea, Villa or Everton.. The teams we needed to get results from were the teams around us and we did that. Under that fat c*** we couldn't even beat Derby or Stoke. He made us into a f***ing awful team, a shambles, that's failure in my book.. Ok....no doubt it was an incredibly poor start, but the general consensus amongst the fans were that he may of suceeded eventually - even today i bet there'd be some people who would admit that he may of suceeded eventually, hardly the definition of failure. Same cant be said for someone like Souness- now thats the definition of failure. What are you going on about man?! There's no doubt in my mind that had Allardyce been our manager until the end of the season we would have been relegated. Now that's the definition of failure!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DazzaNufc1892 Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 used to respect this guy, and if im honest, wanted him to stay, but hes starting to piss even me off now with his constant bitching and whining Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_3694241,00.html Sam Allardyce has urged a Premier League chairman to give him the opportunity to return to management. Allardyce has been out of the game since his brief stint as Newcastle boss came to an end in January. He was only appointed by the Magpies last summer after building a reputation for himself at Bolton, but he fell short of expectations at St James' Park. Allardyce believes he received unfair criticism following his departure from Newcastle and has insisted he is among the very best managers in the country. "I don't consider myself to have failed and I think everyone realises now that what happened at Newcastle wasn't down to me," Allardyce said in The People. "At every club I've ever been at from the earliest days in Ireland with Limerick I've always taken them forwards and Newcastle was just an unfortunate experience. Refreshed "I've had five months off now and I've enjoyed what's basically been my first break from the game in 14 years, and I've used it to the maximum." Allardyce is itching to get back into the Premier League and has been strongly with the vacant job at Blackburn. Blackburn have consistently challenged for European qualification in recent seasons and Allardyce has been tipped as the man to take the club forward. "I feel I'm ready for that chance and I'm comfortable knowing that when people do look at the record in the Premier League, it stands comparison with the best," he explained. "If my stats are still correct Bolton were the fifth most consistent team in the Premier League during those four years. "I just hope a chairman will give me the opportunity to take myself and their club to the next level. I'm ready for more success." i've got a feeling that the whole article could have been condesed to the 4 words "Blackburn have rejected me". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 What does "everyone" know that i don't know? I feel i'm out of the loop. Me too. I don't really know what he's getting at. As Wullie says, most of the players he bought were made to work by Keegan. It's not like people started off saying we were right to sack him then were proved wrong. To be fair he had 22 games - obviously made some silly mistakes but id hardly say he was a failure. Bare in mind Keegan didnt nothing agsint opponents in the top half, hardly enough evidence to suggest that he was a guarantued failure - definitiely no evidence to suggest Keegan will be a guranateed success. Bit of a red herring, that. Keegan came in with moral and orginisation at rock bottom with a run of games against the best in the league. Bit of a big ask to expect him to turn things around to the point were we're getting results from the likes of Arsenal, Manure, Chelsea, Villa or Everton.. The teams we needed to get results from were the teams around us and we did that. Under that fat c*** we couldn't even beat Derby or Stoke. He made us into a f***ing awful team, a shambles, that's failure in my book.. Ok....no doubt it was an incredibly poor start, but the general consensus amongst the fans were that he may of suceeded eventually - even today i bet there'd be some people who would admit that he may of suceeded eventually, hardly the definition of failure. Same cant be said for someone like Souness- now thats the definition of failure. What are you going on about man?! There's no doubt in my mind that had Allardyce been our manager until the end of the season we would have been relegated. Now that's the definition of failure!!! Well theres no doubt in my mind he was gonna go on a 16 game winning streak and win the league. Now that's the definition of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 i'll pay attention to what he says when he learns the offside rule tbh. These quotes didn't come out of Sholas mouth, you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Just in case Blackburn are even going to consider him, David Bentley has made sure he doesnt want to be managed by him by today saying he is fucking off from Ewood Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 In SA defence I will say he was up against after the new owners took over and never fancied him as a manager in the first place. But he done himself no favors in keeping the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 "If my stats are still correct Bolton were the fifth most consistent team in the Premier League during those four years. Ah, the beautiful stats! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The more he comes out with shit like that the more he makes himself a laughing stock, its his fault what went on here and no one else's he needs to learn to take the blame for the mess he left behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 "If my stats are still correct Bolton were the fifth most consistent team in the Premier League during those four years. Ah, the beautiful stats! He must love american sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 In SA defence I will say he was up against after the new owners took over and never fancied him as a manager in the first place. Aye that's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 All coming clear why so many managers have failed over the years. TEA LADY OUT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 If we had appointed keegan last summer, he would looked at the squad and thought, these lads are good enough and not bought anyone. Then we would have definitely gone down, blah blah blah. No one and i repeat NO-ONE was talking about relegation when Sam was here, you lot just make stuff up to suit your opinions. Keegan won 4 out of 15 wasnt it? I think Sam could have managed that too. Glad the fat twat is gone but fuck me people have their heads shoved up their arses. "Our club is fucking great, its just that fucking twat of a manager". Aye, think on. I'm not defending him but absolutely none of the facts suggest that he left the club in a mess. The subsequent handling of all things managerial suggested the organisation was having a few difficulties 'across the board'. We've been a club inn transition for 12 months now, with wholesale changes from top to bottom and across the playing staff, with injury issues to boot. Hoying the blame at Allardyce is a bit retarded if you ask me. Still, hope he goes to a prem rival, it'll send them backwards no doubt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I don't think he would have taken us down and I've always maintained that on here. The point is that he's absolving himself of ALL blame, is he not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I'm so sick of managers that can't ever seem to accept that they've failed. Roeder came out and said that no one could've done it better than him, Sounness too was blaming circumstances and now Fat Sam. While I agree with Dave that I don't think we'd have been relegated, how he not can stand up and take the blame for the utter shite he served us is beyond me. He was, after all, the only manager who managed to lose to Derby this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Yeah, the Derby card, works everytime. You'll remember Man U winning the championship in 96 but getting beat 6-3 off a shit Southampton. Oh sorry, no you wont... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I don't think Man Utd losing to Southampton was a fair reflection of their performances that season. Whereas Derby... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I'm so sick of managers that can't ever seem to accept that they've failed. Roeder came out and said that no one could've done it better than him, Sounness too was blaming circumstances and now Fat Sam. While I agree with Dave that I don't think we'd have been relegated, how he not can stand up and take the blame for the utter s**** he served us is beyond me. He was, after all, the only manager who managed to lose to Derby this season. What exactly happened here in his time at nufc for him to take responsiblity for? We were poor but there is absilutley nothing definitive to apologise for. Anyone would of thought that by judging from all these "correct opinions" that we were all geared up for a brilliant season and that Allardyce took us dramatically backwards. Lets put are head up our arses though and completely forget the 3 year hangover and the state of the club and dramatic changes that were made whilst he was here.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The thing is Fatty, you can't take the glory of a few good seasons at Bolton and then not take responsibility for your time at Newcastle. You had more financial backing in one summer than ever at Bolton and you blew it because your idea of football is bastard head tennis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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