Slugsy Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I don't dislike the lad but think he is average and badly fades in the second half of games. He is young and if we had properly addressed the CM issue in the summer we wouldn't need to be playing him every game. Its the poorest CM pairing I've seen us have for a long time, to think in years gone by some fans slagged off the likes of Gary Speed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 The lack of athleticism is fairly crippling at this point. I like him though, he keeps the ball better than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Someone on here recently compared him to Modric - I'm still laughing.....! A bog-standard midfielder at best who wouldn't have got anywhere NEAR KK's sides of 94-97 - even Batty looked like a creative genius in comparison. The closest comparison of any of KK's midfielders in the Prem was probably Bracewell and he was on the way down then... Of all the signings last summer, KK seemed to be more enthusiastic about Guthrie than many other signings. Not really sure why you are using Keegan's name to slag off Guthrie in this thread. 'using Keegan's name to slag off Guthrie..' ! If I wanted to 'slag off' Guthrie, I would do so and I don't need to invoke Keegan to do THAT - I have a mind of my own and if you think my comments were 'slagging' off Guthrie, you mustn't have heard what some of our fans say about players who have been TWICE as good over the years.... If I was going to slag him off, I would simply say he was rubbish - and I wouldn't care what anyone else thought either..! He isn't rubbish, but neither, in my opinion, is he sufficiently good to warrant a permanent first team place in a club as big potentially as NUFC.I said what I thought, and I stick by it... Neither do I see the logic of saying he would be worth 5-6m'if he was Foreign'...isn't it usually the case that English players cost more and that is why many clubs started buying foreign players in the first place, so how can it be that he would be worth more than he cost NUFC if he was Foreign? It doesn't stack up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I like him, he is a very tidy player and does pick out the odd stunning pass but as Slugsy said he does fade really badly in the second half of most games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I quite like the look of him. He did very well early on in the season and in the pre-season games, have faded a bit lately though (KK-factor?). Could well have had a goal or two against West Brom if Martins deliveries would have been better. He's a tidy, hard working player. He's got the vision and ability to pick a pass, but every now and again, he's a bit sloppy in possession, but I do think that's because of inexperience. Seems to have a good attitude as well, when he loses the ball, he seems to work extra hard to take it back. He's a definite starter in CM with Barton for me at the moment, and even if we would go the 4-3-1-2, he'd still probably be in my starting XI, together with Barton and Jonas in midfield. I don't remember making this post at all It's not that bad though, could have been so much worse considering the state I was in when I made it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Extremely average in general, although neat and tidy when on the ball. Long-term - not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Extremely average in general, although neat and tidy when on the ball. Long-term - not good enough. KK signing dont forget. Think he's good to be honest - very happy to have him in our squad. Neat and tidy player who could become an excellent DM if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Don't really rate him tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Has ALOT of technical ability, not convinced he has a great footballing brain though. I always believe centre midfielders live or die by their production at one end or the other. Over his career Guthrie needs to be able to do one of three things IMO. To regain/retain the ball and become a holding player (Makelele, Speed). To score goals from midfield (Lampard, Scholes) Or create chances and become a playmaker (Gerrard) At this moment, Guthrie shows none of those "special" qualities, time will tell. Personally, i think we would have some success if a manager coached him into the holding role, as Bobby did with Speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Has ALOT of technical ability, not convinced he has a great footballing brain though. I always believe centre midfielders live or die by their production at one end or the other. Over his career Guthrie needs to be able to do one of three things IMO. To regain/retain the ball and become a holding player (Makelele, Speed). To score goals from midfield (Lampard, Scholes) Or create chances and become a playmaker (Gerrard) At this moment, Guthrie shows none of those "special" qualities, time will tell. Personally, i think we would have some success if a manager coached him into the holding role, as Bobby did with Speed. Im not comparing in terms of ability, but at the same stage what had Cesc Fabregas shown Arsenal fans? Because he didnt really excel in any area other than being very neat and tidy for his first couple of seasons, now Id say hes a play maker. I think thats what Guthrie will become although not to the same level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted November 9, 2008 Share Posted November 9, 2008 Has ALOT of technical ability, not convinced he has a great footballing brain though. I always believe centre midfielders live or die by their production at one end or the other. Over his career Guthrie needs to be able to do one of three things IMO. To regain/retain the ball and become a holding player (Makelele, Speed). To score goals from midfield (Lampard, Scholes) Or create chances and become a playmaker (Gerrard) At this moment, Guthrie shows none of those "special" qualities, time will tell. Personally, i think we would have some success if a manager coached him into the holding role, as Bobby did with Speed. Spot on. However, he is still 21. So long as we see a steady improvment year on year, he should be given 4-5 years to see how he progresses. I think a lot of the time we write off younger players too soon. There's an argument that we did that with Milner, however he hasn't been getting any better for a few years now. Sinama-Pongolle would be a great advertisement for keeping hold of players into their mid-20s providing they keep making steady improvments. Liverpool got rid of him at what? 21? Far too soon in hindsight. Guthrie has shown promise and should be held on to for a good few years yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Thought he was absolute class today, back to how he looked during his few games under Keegan. MotM for me today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Just said in the match thread how much he's grown in his last few performances. If he can get in the box more often like he did for his goal today, he is going to have a bright future. Excellent today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest timmy boy Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 He would look a hell of a lot better with a player beside him who has an engine to get forward as well. Butt because his legs have gone is always about 5 yards away from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Along with Bassong another bargain imo. He is far from perfect but he is very tidy and does have the ability to pull out the odd quality pass/shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 He reminds me of Carrick when he was at West Ham and he's the one player that I'm most interested in seeing how he develops over the next few years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 If he reminds me of anyone its Steven Gerrard, not that I'm saying he's as good as him by the way..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Personally think he's a bit similar to David Batty, though maybe not as wild in the tackle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Good to see him getting forward a bit more today. Vastly more use to us in the final third than Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Personally think he's a bit similar to David Batty, though maybe not as wild in the tackle. He's not as tough as Batty but he's a lot better going forward. Batty was more like Butt in that he didn't carry the ball into the opposition half and usually passed sideways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 I'd agree he's more like Carrick (but obviously not that level of quality) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Crisp packet hands from James aside, his goal was excellently taken. Coolly hit the target with a very good connection. So many times players fuck chances like that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Tremendous today. Easily man of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Good to see him getting forward a bit more today. Vastly more use to us in the final third than Butt. It was noticeable that Butt was playing deeper today and Guthrie was the one pushing forward which is how it should be. If Butt sticks to what he's good at he's less of a liability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 More of the same please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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