So, who's signing in the final week?

[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

[Dave]

I'm assuming you haven't watched the video of KK on the BBC site then?

[Tooj]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

[NE5]

I'm assuming you haven't watched the video of KK on the BBC site then?

 

yep.

 

Typical KK, optimstic and saying the right thing for the good of the club.

 

Great stuff.

 

But actions speak louder than words, at the end of the day.

 

What about it particularly do you want to discuss ?

 

 

[Dave]

2J just wrote my post for me. I believe Keegan, end of story.

[mrmojorisin75]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

i actually believe KK's quotes on this one, it's like cole - sometimes a deal is too good to turn down and given what milner actually produces in terms of end product this one was a no brainer for me

 

as honest as milner was he actually produced little more than smith or duff and i don't think anyone would be crying if we sold them tomorrow for a pack of tudor crisps

 

i think we'll see a striker and a midfielder come in as a minimum before the window as a result of the milner sale, one of them will be a very, very good player indeed

 

[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

[madras]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

how about.....because quite a lot of deals go through at the end of the window when players and clubs have a better view of their options. think owen and rooney for example.

[Tooj]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps because the players wouldn't come to us perhaps? The players we've brought in so far I'm very impressed with, are you not?

 

We have just broke our transfer record for a defender as well btw. One of which I know you're going to say our defence didn't need improving but it certainly did down the middle.

[UV]

Well Keegan himself has already said that he only wants players who will play for the shirt and understand what it means to play for nufc - do you think a player who was needed to be convinced by an extra 10-20k per week to come here would fit into that select category of a player wanting to play for nufc?

 

Oh please. Find me a manager who doesn't say that.

 

The first player we signed cancelled his contract with his previous club so he could get a premier league salary FFS. Are you deluded enough to think he joined specifically because he wanted to play for US, and that he wouldn't have gone somewhere else if they'd offered him a better deal?

 

Thats not quite what im getting at, but i do see your point.

 

Who are you to say that that isnt the case? Alledgedly there was a top 4 club involved as well....im certainly not saying it IS the case but who knows for sure.??

 

All im saying is that if Keegan has to actively offer the player too much as opposed to a marked improvement on his previous contract then wouldnt it contradict his criteria, theres a definite difference there in my eyes.

 

Owen and Luque would fit into the first criteria (of being offered too much to come here),  Jonas, Colocinni and Guthrie fit into the second criterai (Of having an marked improvemnt on there previous contract). I see the difference there, do you? and do you think its the right way to go, or do you beleive that if a player doesnt want to come here we should offer him monetary compensation in order to get him commited to the team?

 

In an ideal world id rather have player happy to be here - seems to be the crux of what Keegan wants as well.

 

 

Tell me what Jonas and Colocinni are on and we might be able to debate what "too much" is. I don't see how your argument even gets off the ground without knowing that. Quotes like this:

 

“At the end of a player’s career, the only thing that counts is their checking account, they don’t feed themselves with cups neither with medals, and I fear he could miss the contract of his life.

 

“The pay rise is very important for Fabricio,” he added. “Here (in Spain) you have a better life, but a player’s career is very short"

 

don't exactly scream to me that Colocinni's motive for joining were football based.

 

FWIW for the vast majority of players I don't think what they're paid makes the slightest difference as to their "commitment" or how they perform on the pitch, it only affects which club they play for each season.

[Mick]

 

yep.

 

Typical KK, optimstic and saying the right thing for the good of the club.

 

Great stuff.

 

But actions speak louder than words, at the end of the day.

 

What about it particularly do you want to discuss ?

 

 

 

[Mr Logic]

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[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

i actually believe KK's quotes on this one, it's like cole - sometimes a deal is too good to turn down and given what milner actually produces in terms of end product this one was a no brainer for me

 

as honest as milner was he actually produced little more than smith or duff and i don't think anyone would be crying if we sold them tomorrow for a pack of tudor crisps

 

i think we'll see a striker and a midfielder come in as a minimum before the window as a result of the milner sale, one of them will be a very, very good player indeed

 

 

I agree. The difference with Cole though is that Keegan thought he could replace him immediately with Ferdinand, and it all happened very quickly in mid season, but had to wait until the summer before QPR let him go. I don't dispute he knows what he wants, but what bothers me is that the season is new and there is a chance here to break back into europe again with the right player or two.

 

Remember also, that by virtue of buying Cole, Beardsley, Sellars, Robinson - etc in advance of getting promotion to the premiership, and Darren Peacock afterwards - they had shown that they were prepared to bring in players to improve the team whether they sold anybody first or not.

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

i was about to say something along those lines, this threads gone to ratshit

 

someone create another one about who's signing in the next 2 days and we'll start again

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[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps because the players wouldn't come to us perhaps? The players we've brought in so far I'm very impressed with, are you not?

 

We have just broke our transfer record for a defender as well btw. One of which I know you're going to say our defence didn't need improving but it certainly did down the middle.

 

Well, as I said, it wasn't the priority but you can always improve, and he certainly is an improvement.

 

The problem is that our badly needed problem - necessity I would say - still exists.

 

 

[Dave]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

[NE5]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

how about.....because quite a lot of deals go through at the end of the window when players and clubs have a better view of their options. think owen and rooney for example.

 

you mean to say that most clubs make panic signings and/or loan deals ?

 

Well spotted, and thanks for proving my point.

 

 

[Tooj]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

how about.....because quite a lot of deals go through at the end of the window when players and clubs have a better view of their options. think owen and rooney for example.

 

you mean to say that most clubs make panic signings and/or loan deals ?

 

Well spotted, and thanks for proving my point.

 

 

 

So what is Owen was a panic buy? Especially when we could have had someone in for less beforehand who would have proven to been a more valuable asset to this club.

[mrmojorisin75]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

i actually believe KK's quotes on this one, it's like cole - sometimes a deal is too good to turn down and given what milner actually produces in terms of end product this one was a no brainer for me

 

as honest as milner was he actually produced little more than smith or duff and i don't think anyone would be crying if we sold them tomorrow for a pack of tudor crisps

 

i think we'll see a striker and a midfielder come in as a minimum before the window as a result of the milner sale, one of them will be a very, very good player indeed

 

 

I agree. The difference with Cole though is that Keegan thought he could replace him immediately with Ferdinand, and it all happened very quickly in mid season, but had to wait until the summer before QPR let him go. I don't dispute he knows what he wants, but what bothers me is that the season is new and there is a chance here to break back into europe again with the right player or two.

 

Remember also, that by virtue of buying Cole, Beardsley, Sellars, Robinson - etc in advance of getting promotion to the premiership, and Darren Peacock afterwards - they had shown that they were prepared to bring in players to improve the team whether they sold anybody first or not.

 

 

 

this part in bold has really dawned on me in the last few days too i have to admit - everyone is fond of pointing out how much of a hard time other clubs are having, i see a huge opportunity to make a quantum leap back up the table here but i honestly can see us not taking it

 

i'm struggling to see how this window can be recovered now, again if i'm honest, like you i like the look of the players we've got so far but even assuming the 2 (?) we get in before monday are of a similar quality it's just not enough

[NE5]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

 

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ?

 

Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ?

 

Aye, bonkers.

 

If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ?

 

I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point.

 

 

[Baggio]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

 

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Dave.

[madras]

It doesn't matter what Ashley etc if I'm being honest as NE5 you know if they do splash the cash you'll just say well the old board done this and yous weren't happy with this or why is nobody moaning about these so-called 'trophy' players now.

 

Well mate, prior to the sale of Milner, we needed a striker and a central midfield player. Quality ones, not necessarily pricey, but accept that they may not come cheap. There is no point in saying that if someone who is the player the manager thinks will make the difference but he costs 8m quid for instance, telling him we don't have this money.

 

That is utter bollocks. Nor should we be telling him he has to sell first, thats the point.

 

If the Milner money is spent on a quality striker who improves the team, then I would consider it a good swap, but the overall feeling I have ref my above comments, would remain until basically they show me they are prepared to sign player for the reason of improving the team and squad as a whole when players become available and balancing the books later if necessary.

 

 

 

I don't think we have told him to sell first. Keegan himself has said the money is there, that is a fact. I believe Keegan, do you not?

 

I think we all know we need another striker and a couple of midfielders, in particular top drawer ones, but Rome wasn't built in a day as they say, you can't expect all of the shambles that have occurred over the past four years prior to Keegan to be fixed in one window.

 

The Milner deal was far too good to turn down, for a player of limited ability.

 

Well tooj, I'm going to pose a question here.

 

If we sign a quality striker [for instance] in the next 3 days, why has it waited until the last few days if the money was already there ?

 

I'm all for Keegan setting standards, as I would too, and I've always said its quality that counts. But they have had all summer, have they not ? In fact, this Wise, Jiminez etc have had since January to identify and find a badly needed striker. Plenty of people have made comments about "timing" etc and how things would be "better", so why not ?  You can't tell me that there are loads of players out there who would be better than Ameobi and even do a good short term. This need is urgent mate. Its as urgent as anything else I can remember.

 

I understand what Keegan is doing here. He's trying to stick to his principles and bring in quality, but the player(s)  he wants are going to cost money so he's reluctant to bring in a short term buy. Somethings got to give, or we will go until January at least with what we have and throw away the chance of a good season.

 

Good way to run a club ? Is it bollocks.

 

 

 

 

 

how about.....because quite a lot of deals go through at the end of the window when players and clubs have a better view of their options. think owen and rooney for example.

 

you mean to say that most clubs make panic signings and/or loan deals ?

 

Well spotted, and thanks for proving my point.

 

 

what on earth are you rattling on about. neither were panics or loans.

[Tooj]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

 

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ?

 

Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ?

 

Aye, bonkers.

 

If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ?

 

I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point.

 

 

 

Gates also diminished at the end of the old board's tenure though. It was only negative spin towards the end of the tenure as we were in rapid decline, even you must see that?

 

I don't also feel it's positive spin as you call it on the new board, if they can even be called that anymore, it's more so people are willing to give them a chance.

[Dave]

The club can't win. The likes of NE5 and UV will pick holes in every single thing they do, it's as simple as that.

 

The best bit is they really don't see the irony in them doing this after telling everyone else season after season they shouldn't be doing it. The difference of course being that the old lot had been in charge 10 years and had their chance, whereas this lot have barely got their foot through the door.

 

10 years of Shepherd et al, but not allowed to strongly criticise.

1 year of Ashley et al, but are allowed to strongly criticise.

 

It's bonkers.

 

negative spin on a board who ran a club that filled a 52,000 stadium for years and qualified regularly for europe ?

 

Positive spin on a board who have - so far - sold a manager short and gates have gone down ?

 

Aye, bonkers.

 

If its your opinion its positive, and if it isn't its negative Dave ? Isn't that correct ?

 

I'll leave this thread now, didn't mean to "hijack" it, although my opinion is these threads go into this area because - like it or not - they are topical and very much to the point.

 

 

 

The point being the old board had time to prove their worth (and their weaknesses), yet you're not willing to give the new lot any time to prove anything.

 

You point out only the great things the old board did, but only the poor things the new board have done. This is exactly what I'm on about. I notice you've failed to mention their biggest decision so far, which was to bring back the man you worship as manager. Why is that, I wonder.

 

Anyway, let's leave it. Again.