Guest thommo78 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 apart from paying off the debt...he has done everything wrong thus far.......turning into jobs for the boys... Maybe! aren't you happy with whom they have brought in so far? Gutierrez/Guthrue and Colo look ok...they don't look like they will propell us up to cement a top 6 position yet...I can't pass comment on Xisco and Gonzales as I haven't ever seen them play...If you ask if they did "good business" in the close season...I would say they fell short. We are desperatly short of players...key injuries and suspensions will hurt us, I think the midfield has graft but no guile and the loss of milner will leave us unbalanced as we didn't replace him....Personally I think they are solid players we have...nothing more nothing less... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thommo78 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I think what I hoped for from the new regime was some stability and some strong leadership direction that would keep us out of the press for all the wrong reasons and to stop the club jumping from one crisis to another like happend at times under the last regime...1 year into this new setup and yet again we are all over the press for reasons we would rather not be....To many people in the press and football people have critisied the new setup but Ashley seems intent on this plan even though his actual experience of being involved in football is the grand total of 12 months...I reiterate what Bobby Robson said...What has Dennis Wise got on his CV that gives you confidence his decisions over playing staff are correct??? The lack of PR and communication with the fans leaves us in the dark...seems the fans are left to decipher very frank and matter of fact statements on the club website. Where are the press conferences to ease our fears...What are the club doing right now with the search for a manager? Who knows...its all so secret squirel and I feel more alienated from the club than ever before, and not by my own choice He may have paid of the debt....we may have done some acadamy improvemenst (you won't know that for a number of years when we start to see youngster compete in the premiership) but as for the rest ...for me.....there is much that he needs to get right...and quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Quickly disappearing, I cant for the love of me see a way forward for the club and everyine involved with it at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 i have more faith in ashley than i did in shepherd. other than this "situation" (in which i believe both sides are at fault) he's done a good job. i rarely heard any calls for his head prior to keegan quitting btw. thats something to remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 confidence in ashley to do what, exactly? carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah to do what we want as fans? not a lot time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again? With the structure that has been put in place which the club are now claiming has been the case since Keegan was hired, what has happened with Keegan was totally inevitable sooner or later to anyone with even the most vague knowledge of the man. With what we are being told now, how can you say that it was a good appointment except from a financial point of view for Ashley (getting supporters to buy advance STs on the back of his appointment)? At best it was an incompetent appointment for the system to work, at worst a cynical one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I have faith in him, he steadied the ship but his cronies are making it hard for him. I'm losing faith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Sorry what little faith/ hope I had has completely gone. He has shown that he will not invest in the first 11 in anyway that will involve him having a potential monetary loss to him. All actions he has taken financially are ones that would be recouped by a sale (which I sincerely hope is his plan). This is a man who pretends to be one of the lads, who lost over 100 million spread betting, allegedly 2 Million in a casino & was in New York spending 125k on a bar bill when he should have been sorting out the mess he has created. He said he wanted the club as a bit of fun, well I don't find it any fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 confidence in ashley to do what, exactly? carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah to do what we want as fans? not a lot time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again? With the structure that has been put in place which the club are now claiming has been the case since Keegan was hired, what has happened with Keegan was totally inevitable sooner or later to anyone with even the most vague knowledge of the man. With what we are being told now, how can you say that it was a good appointment except from a financial point of view for Ashley (getting supporters to buy advance STs on the back of his appointment)? At best it was an incompetent appointment for the system to work, at worst a cynical one. no chance then, that as it was his first ever managerial appointment that he thought he might be able to get it all to work then? ashley i mean UV as always the forums split again into two camps - why couldn't it be that keegan was appointed with the best of intentions and things just didn't work out? to he was an incompetent appointment amazes me seeing as he virtually saved us from relegation, to read it as cynical says more about your preconceptions of the man to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rosstoon Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. He'll want that back before he goes so he hasn't really put in anything. It's his own fault anyway for buying something off Fat Fred without looking at the books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... fucking hell man, the next guy might be brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... fucking hell man, the next guy might be brilliant Sadly that will only happen by pure luck. No one of any proven talent is going to come here. Can hope though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 He is looking to sell any player for a profit. How can we be confident in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... fucking hell man, the next guy might be brilliant Sadly that will only happen by pure luck. No one of any proven talent is going to come here. Can hope though even if he's not brilliant there's no reason for people to be saying we're headed down man... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... fucking hell man, the next guy might be brilliant Sadly that will only happen by pure luck. No one of any proven talent is going to come here. Can hope though even if he's not brilliant there's no reason for people to be saying we're headed down man... oh aye thats mental. We wont go down. Its just any progress will be halted again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 People seem to dismiss paying off 80million debt and balancing some 27million outstanding transfer dues as if they are insignificant sums. Surely this cannot be disregarded when gauging how much can be spent on players in the transfer window. How many of the people reacting so abusively would pay off such staggering sums if they had the oportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 People seem to dismiss paying off 80million debt and balancing some 27million outstanding transfer dues as if they are insignificant sums. Surely this cannot be disregarded when gauging how much can be spent on players in the transfer window. How many of the people reacting so abusively would pay off such staggering sums if they had the oportunity. the debt was his as soon as he bought the club, he paid it off in one go instead of having to pay it off over time which wouldve cost him many millions more in interest. it's a move that has benefitted him as its saved him money, but it hasnt benefitted the club as money saved hasnt been ploughed back into transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 People seem to dismiss paying off 80million debt and balancing some 27million outstanding transfer dues as if they are insignificant sums. Surely this cannot be disregarded when gauging how much can be spent on players in the transfer window. How many of the people reacting so abusively would pay off such staggering sums if they had the oportunity. One - it hasn't been clarified how he has paid this debt, whether it is gone or whether it is via a currently intrest free loan to be passed on to the next buyer, two - nobody has ever been able to verify the value of the bebt, three - taking into account the value of players sold in the past three transfer windows we are either just over 5 million pound down or well in the black. This summer we are either 5.75 million or .75 million down depending whether or not Jonas cost us a fee since he bought his contract out. Staggering sums either way - I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 confidence in ashley to do what, exactly? carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah to do what we want as fans? not a lot time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again? absolutely spot on word for word Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 confidence in ashley to do what, exactly? carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah to do what we want as fans? not a lot time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again? With the structure that has been put in place which the club are now claiming has been the case since Keegan was hired, what has happened with Keegan was totally inevitable sooner or later to anyone with even the most vague knowledge of the man. With what we are being told now, how can you say that it was a good appointment except from a financial point of view for Ashley (getting supporters to buy advance STs on the back of his appointment)? At best it was an incompetent appointment for the system to work, at worst a cynical one. no chance then, that as it was his first ever managerial appointment that he thought he might be able to get it all to work then? ashley i mean UV as always the forums split again into two camps - why couldn't it be that keegan was appointed with the best of intentions and things just didn't work out? to he was an incompetent appointment amazes me seeing as he virtually saved us from relegation, to read it as cynical says more about your preconceptions of the man to me Are you arguing that it wasn't obvious that Keegan was always likely to walk if he was not in charge of transfers (so not incompetence), or that getting a legendary manager in for 8 months to "virtually save us from relegation" and act as nothing more than a media facing figurehead during the off season while pretending to be in charge and asking supporters to sign up for 3 years in advance was not a cynical use of the man? In what possible way under the circumstances was Keegan a good appointment except in the short term for Ashley's bank balance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 he cleared 120m of our debts with his personal money. Dont advocate what he has done in the past week or so but he has secured the future of our beloved team. At the end of the day when you own something it is up to you what you do with it. He is not setting out to lose his millions, he is in it to make a profit. I hardly think we've got the most secure of futures now, do you? We lost a manager. I hardly think that jeopardizes the future of the club. We'll get a new manager and move on. Yeah, into the Championship... Funny you should mention that, don't forget that's where we would be right now if Ashley hadn't come in and made changes when he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 confidence in ashley to do what, exactly? carry on as he has since taking the club over, i.e. do what he considers the right thing? then i have a lot of confidence in him to do that yeah to do what we want as fans? not a lot time will tell who is right - remember this is the person who brought KK back from out of nowhere in the first place, why do people now think he couldn't make an equally good appointment again? absolutely spot on word for word Agreed, the only question is whether what Ashley thinks is best (and therefore will do) is actually more sensible and successful compared to waht fans would do. We're passionate and we really care, but not many of us has the background in running big organisations that Ashley does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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