Frazzle Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I wish I couldn't read so I didn't have to take in the awful drivel some people slobber out on here. The one refers to the one goal Carroll has scored with his head, as opposed to the countless chances he's wasted with it. We rarely get a chance to see how bad his finishing is because if he's not on his arse then he's usually fluffing a chance to shoot. And the two refers to the two goals Carroll's head as been involved in... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 You can see a goal coming from Ranger who hasn't scored but not from Carroll who has scored? Gallowgate Toon: Carroll has scored one and set up one with his head (not loads obviously but its not nothing either), he's won countless headers throughout the season, say he's lazy can't shoot etc. but I can't see how you can say his heading is ****, as I said, he had a bad game yesterday I agree it has had some contribution this season but i was thinking more along the lines of whether it was a significant contribution, and i think he offers less than Loven, Harewood and Ranger. Imo Carroll offers a very limited package and he has a negative effect on our general attacking play, and he's generally not performing as a striker should. I also agree that he is a lot more energetic and hard-working than Harewood, but that's not what we need right now, we need goals and Harewood looks like he's going to score a lot more than Andy. As for his heading, predictably i'm going to disagree because i really think his ability in the air is not that good as with all of his strike partners this season, his flick-ons never seem to connect very much, is that an endictment on them or him, who knows but i wouldn't like to play with him because i would have no idea where his headers would end up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 You can see a goal coming from Ranger who hasn't scored but not from Carroll who has scored? Gallowgate Toon: Carroll has scored one and set up one with his head (not loads obviously but its not nothing either), he's won countless headers throughout the season, say he's lazy can't shoot etc. but I can't see how you can say his heading is ****, as I said, he had a bad game yesterday I agree it has had some contribution this season but i was thinking more along the lines of whether it was a significant contribution, and i think he offers less than Loven, Harewood and Ranger. Imo Carroll offers a very limited package and he has a negative effect on our general attacking play, and he's generally not performing as a striker should. I also agree that he is a lot more energetic and hard-working than Harewood, but that's not what we need right now, we need goals and Harewood looks like he's going to score a lot more than Andy. As for his heading, predictably i'm going to disagree because i really think his ability in the air is not that good as with all of his strike partners this season, his flick-ons never seem to connect very much, is that an endictment on them or him, who knows but i wouldn't like to play with him because i would have no idea where his headers would end up. excellent post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 didn't one of carroll's headers vs forest go the opposite way it should've, thus starting off the move for their goal? at the moment he is making himself awkward and having a lot of joy on the ball because he is huge. But he's not offering a goal threat and he is very, very sloppy. It's a common theme this season that he is falling over, having shite first touches, slicing shots, misdirecting headers and so on. If he can refine this aspect of his game he has a future, if he doesn't he'll be your typical championship target man and that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Carroll V Harewood!!! WTF!!!! Remember last season talking about Oba V Owen....strikers worth talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 he needs a better first touch, better heading ability, better awareness of the game, better/some shooting ability and to improve his balance somehow. Not going to happen tbh, as said above, he'll probably end up your typical championship target man. He can cause problems but he isn't the future of the club sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 He does seem to fall on his arse a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Unbelievable statement, considering the striker you champion Drogba scored 7 goals in 47 games in his early career yet you say he is the best striker in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Unbelievable statement, considering the striker you champion Drogba scored 7 goals in 47 games in his early career yet you say he is the best striker in the world. Ronaldo saw his potential, even in the womb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I'm fairly sure Carroll will play PL football even if its for the likes of Bolton, Stoke etc. Although I do think he has the potential to do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Unbelievable statement, considering the striker you champion Drogba scored 7 goals in 47 games in his early career yet you say he is the best striker in the world. I didn't see Drogba play before his days at Marseilles so I can't comment. I have seen Carroll for the last year though, and he looks to be a pretty fucking rubbish football who occassionally uses his size to very good effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Unbelievable statement, considering the striker you champion Drogba scored 7 goals in 47 games in his early career yet you say he is the best striker in the world. I didn't see Drogba play before his days at Marseilles so I can't comment. I have seen Carroll for the last year though, and he looks to be a pretty f***ing rubbish football who occassionally uses his size to very good effect. Fair enough, but he's young,he is a good size (especially for this league), good left foot, handy in the air so he obviously has some ability and potential.. just like Drogba did back then. I'm certain if we had a young Didier who had 7 in 47 games, you would be saying he wouldn't be a top-tier striker right? let alone world class. So you shouldn't be too quick to right him off just yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Drogba is the exception, but to be fair he has fantastic natural pace and strength. I don't really see such an outstanding attribute in Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Drogba is the exception, but to be fair he has fantastic natural pace and strength. I don't really see such an outstanding attribute in Carroll. If he was so good, why wasn't he a goal threat in all those games? and such a poor return? he was sold for just £80,000 so his fantastic pace and strength weren't worth much huh? No one saw anything in him. So if we had a player like that in our ranks its safe to say you would write him off. lets be honest here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Probably, but as I said, Drogba is a massive exception. He was initially idenfied as a defender for one. I don't Carroll ever being a great player. Sorry, but there it is. If anyone thinks he will, i'd love to hear why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. If there's nothing significant to seperate Carroll and Ranger's contribution right now, i'd be tempted to stick Ranger in, given that he has the most potential by far. Unbelievable statement, considering the striker you champion Drogba scored 7 goals in 47 games in his early career yet you say he is the best striker in the world. I didn't see Drogba play before his days at Marseilles so I can't comment. I have seen Carroll for the last year though, and he looks to be a pretty f***ing rubbish football who occassionally uses his size to very good effect. For a lad who has saw all this in AC how the fuck cant you see that Harewood is shite as well. His record in his last season at WHU was not that good. He has been shite at Villa. His loan spell at Wolves was woeful looking at the goal return. At best he has looked good in phases in games for us like all our strikers have this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Harewood's a proven scorer at this level, he's hit more than 20 in the championship in one season and managed 14 in the premiership a few seasons back. Stop saying he's been shit at Villa, the fact that O'Neil has had him permanently on the bench doesn't relate to our situation at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Probably, but as I said, Drogba is a massive exception. He was initially idenfied as a defender for one. I don't Carroll ever being a great player. Sorry, but there it is. If anyone thinks he will, i'd love to hear why. I have never seen anything to suggest Drogba was identified as a defender.. No one knows how good Carroll would be, he has displayed some good bits that i would like to see more of, his England appearances has always been good, and he's been a handful for defenders - which is always encouraging. He's still growing and developing all the time, he has a good left foot seems strike the ball well, so it's annoying to see such exaggerated statements that he could never be a Premier League striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I never said he 'could never be a premier league striker' though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Carroll would need to make major improvements in both his attitude and application of talent if he wanted to be even an average Premiership striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Harewood's a proven scorer at this level, he's hit more than 20 in the championship in one season and managed 14 in the premiership a few seasons back. Stop saying he's been s*** at Villa, the fact that O'Neil has had him permanently on the bench doesn't relate to our situation at all. Permanently on the bench.........I think not as MON has loaned him out twice in quick succession as he is not good enough for Villa. When did he get over 20? How many over 20 did he get? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 We've established that he wasn't good enough for Villa, ok. He's hit 21 and 18 in the championship in 03 and 05 and managed 14 in the premiership in 06. He also managed 5 goals for Villa in 07-08 despite only starting 1 game that season. He's capable of goals is all i'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I never said he 'could never be a premier league striker' though. It's becoming more and more obvious to me that while Carroll could and probably will be a very useful player for us, he'll never be a premiership striker. It's late so forgive me if misinterpreted but that to me says: its obvious to you he'll never be a PL striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I don't think he will be a premiership striker but owt is possible so i'm not going to rule it out completely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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