Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The poll on this thread tells a story though. Same old story then... laying any blame on Carroll = support for the owners Laying the blame exclusively on Carroll, as 44% have done, shows an inability to assess the situation at best. Support for the owner at worst. Carroll could be on the end of more aggro because we all know the owners are cunts (Carroll included), yet he still turned his back on the club. There isn't any question of who gets 'support' here and it doesn't mean they are trusted. It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable cunts and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I can't wait for him to score a hattrick against us. Cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 In the context of the top 5 he's joined the worst one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thefishman Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 im 100% certain cashcunt, was responsible for ac leaving, why the f*** would he be up here on deadline day with his choppa? to oversee irelands loan, f*** off! He knew all along the c***! Good luck andy lad, but you'll be back, or try and get someone else in? hes been at the club deadline day before its not new Look at his past record, hes a lying cunt! Where are these other supposed targets, as pardew clearly stated they made a few bids late last night, they are taking us all for fucking fools! Also check out pardews events, i was having a metting with the cunts and andy popped his head round the door, but then he says andy came into my office for a meeting, its all bollocks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Tell you one thing, I bet he's impressed at seeing how a proper club is run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 still hurting from this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Tell you one thing, I bet he's impressed at seeing how a proper club is run. Only because they were lucky enough to get new owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Carroll didn't have to go regardless of the owner's stance. I hate Ashley and now I hate Carroll. Hope his career nosedives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Tell you one thing, I bet he's impressed at seeing how a proper club is run. Probably why he can't wipe the smile off his face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. And Carroll knows we're not paying the sort of wages Liverpool were going to offer him anymore. Liverpool offered big money and the wages he thinks he deserves, we can't afford that anymore unfortunately. One of those things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable cunts and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Whilst all that obviously is true, people are still entitled to be upset about the manner/timing of him leaving. And it's far too simplistic to just assume that means support for the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. There were stories flying around the club were going to give him a new deal in Jan. Will try & find one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. I'd not even heard that, but assuming it's true, would you believe it? Derek Lambias and Mike Ashley sat grinning at you and telling you "Don't worry Andy, we'll deal with this little matter in the summer." On top of all of their other lies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have a feeling that this Carroll transfer is going to be a bit like Bellamy's. By that I mean.... we (N-O members) will go on and on about him for years to come! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. the problem is he cries in the chronicle and to wraith i didn't want to go oh woe is me etc etc when he could have quite easily not gone there is no way he could have been forced out I dont believe he did want to go. He couldnt quite easily turn down such a massive wage increase & the differences in valuation of his worth as a player from both clubs. We made no attempt to keep him and basically told him to leave. He wasnt literally forced out no, but he probably feels like he was forced to change his mind as to whether he wanted to stay here. He was told they'd renegotiate his contract in the summer,which 3 months after signing a new one seems reasonable to me tbh. Its reasonable yes, but sometimes you have to meet someone in the middle when theyre being slightly unreasonable if theyre of massive worth to you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 It's too simplistic to talk about him turning his back on the club. It's a short career, and if he's to be believed he's being told he's not wanted by his current employer, and there's a prospective employer prepared to pay £35m for him and almost treble his wage. £14m over 5 years. He knows that contract negotiations at Mike Ashley's Newcastle are going to be few and far between, and that if he scored 25 goals a season for the next 4 year, he'd still not get £80k a week out of Ashley. Which makes his decision a no brainer, once they told him they wouldn't open up negotiations with him. And whether he was told he was not wanted is up for debate, but having seen Lambias's crack in the paper today, it wouldn't surprise me at all. These blokes are despicable cunts and I don't understand how ANY Newcastle fan can give them the time of day. Whilst all that obviously is true, people are still entitled to be upset about the manner/timing of him leaving. And it's far too simplistic to just assume that means support for the board. Laying the blame solely with the player is mental imo. Whether it indicates support for the Board or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We had all month to bring in players. If we had spent the money and got a quality striker in and a winger I think he would have stayed. Instead we pissed around trying to get cheap fucking deals for very average players. Not surprised he left with the sham that runs the club. Or should that be ruin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Agree with Gemmil. I dont really understand the bitterness towards Carroll really to the extent that some on here have it. Its crap that he agreed to go, but put in his position all footballers would make that choice. Thats the world they live in. As I've said, I don't have a problem with him thinking Liverpool is a good move. But leave it at that, he shouldn't go whinging that he didn't want to go. I'm not in love with the fact that he's whinged on, but he's a 22 year old kid who wants to save face with his mates etc. And I suspect there is some truth to how he claims he was treated. It ended up being a good deal for all parties, but without the club wanting to sell him he would still be here. The bid rejections whilst allowing the player and his agent to talk to Liverpool ffs - only one thing gonna happen there. Pardew does say "Events took over and the size of the fee was a big part of it." The fee was the biggest part for me, they cashed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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