Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Your qualifying group was fucking easy, mind. It's almost shameful it wasn't 10 out of 10 no matter who the manager was. Hell, if England was replaced with Norway I'd be expecting US to fucking win that group, and we're fucking shitter than shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Your qualifying group was f***ing easy, mind. It's almost shameful it wasn't 10 out of 10 no matter who the manager was. Hell, if England was replaced with Norway I'd be expecting US to f***ing win that group, and we're f***ing shitter than s***. Norway would have finished 4th in that group Kaiz, you're shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 And again, who would you rather have in the job? The man is streets ahead of managers England produce. And again? I must be missing something, i never saw you ask me this once. I'd take Redknapp over Fabio right now no doubts he'd do a much better job, but that doesn't mean he's ideal, and it certainly doesn't mean we have to go English either, that would be very Fat Fred esque to jump opposite to opposite mangers in a way to rectify the downfalls of the previous. Like Kaz says, someone who can motivate, relate to the players, this is crucial in a short space tournament where they are away from their families and up against it, while also keeping somone savvy enough tactically to do battle against the best but most of all with this job it is someone who can handle the press. It's our downfall as a nation, but its there, its not going away and it needs dealing with. The amount of shit thrown at someone like Redknapp over the years and still he comes out smelling of roses and the press generally on his side is staggering, for whatever reason that is a quality the next England manger must have and its just as important as being tactically aware and being able to motivate the players. Right now out of those 3 we have a manger with 1, and why he failed miserably at this level and in this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Your qualifying group was f***ing easy, mind. It's almost shameful it wasn't 10 out of 10 no matter who the manager was. Hell, if England was replaced with Norway I'd be expecting US to f***ing win that group, and we're f***ing shitter than s***. Norway would have finished 4th in that group Kaiz, you're shite. Not a snowball's chance in hell we'd have finished lower than those versions of Ukraine and Croatia. Or well, maybe Croatia. They play good stuff on their day, not a patch on their form up until late 08, though. Who's the third team btw? Belarus? Are you mad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I'd rather abolish the team than see Redknapp get anywhere near the position. Odious fucker, he's part of the problem to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Your qualifying group was f***ing easy, mind. It's almost shameful it wasn't 10 out of 10 no matter who the manager was. Hell, if England was replaced with Norway I'd be expecting US to f***ing win that group, and we're f***ing shitter than s***. Norway would have finished 4th in that group Kaiz, you're s****. Not a snowball's chance in hell we'd have finished lower than those versions of Ukraine and Croatia. Who's the third team btw? Belarus? Are you mad? Croatia and Ukraine are both better than Norway. When was the last major tournament you qualified for? Belarus was just a dig, but you would have finished 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 You were hardly outstanding in your group actually, if you'd got 2nd comfortably then yeah but I seem to remember you struggling to the finish line ahead of Scotland. Infact even Iceland and Macedonia put up a reasonable fight against you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Your qualifying group was f***ing easy, mind. It's almost shameful it wasn't 10 out of 10 no matter who the manager was. Hell, if England was replaced with Norway I'd be expecting US to f***ing win that group, and we're f***ing shitter than s***. Norway would have finished 4th in that group Kaiz, you're s****. Not a snowball's chance in hell we'd have finished lower than those versions of Ukraine and Croatia. Who's the third team btw? Belarus? Are you mad? Croatia and Ukraine are both better than Norway. When was the last major tournament you qualified for? Belarus was just a dig, but you would have finished 3rd. 2000, but that's not the point. The point is recent form, and if we faced off against those two I'd have full belief we'd be able to win. We've been shit for the better part of a decade, granted, but since 2008 we've taken massive steps and I have no doubt we'll be at the 2012 EC. FIFA agrees re: Ukraine btw, not that they matter, but still. 22 Norway 878 0 Equal 23 Ghana 874 0 Equal 24 Ukraine 870 1 Up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Shit man Kaiz, you guys actually didn't beat Iceland. I know that's like some Viking derby or something, but come the fuck on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 You were hardly outstanding in your group actually, if you'd got 2nd comfortably then yeah but I seem to remember you struggling to the finish line ahead of Scotland. Infact even Iceland and Macedonia put up a reasonable fight against you. Change of managers changed it all, went from shit Hareide to Drillo, which is the epitome of what I think an International manager should be. Great tactically (i.e. playing with the right tactic almost anybody can beat anybody philosophy) and a great player motivator. Anyways, we've sidetracked. The main discussion was that Capello is a shit International manager, which he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Shit man Kaiz, you guys actually didn't beat Iceland. I know that's like some Viking derby or something, but come the fuck on! At least we've beaten modern Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Managing England is hardly a fair gauge of a manager's capacity to manage a national team. It's basically an impossible job, for the reasons stated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 It's strange seeing the media getting behind Newcastle Utd/One of our players. What's the world coming to.... next Andy Gray will pronounce his love of the club. Won't last long like. He'll have one bad game and be labelled a false hope before long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Managing England is hardly a fair gauge of a manager's capacity to manage a national team. It's basically an impossible job, for the reasons stated. Sven, Sir Bobby. It's not impossible at all if you're the right mixture of a manager. Though obviously you get sacked if you don't win the WC as the English media is delusional, but still. You have the potential to do well, you just need someone that could make you reach that potential by making the players believe they can reach it, rather than say "follow this gameplan and we'll win", which is the type of manager Capello is. It works well on club level, as you have your assistants to do the human connection between yourself and the players over time, but on International level you need to do the interaction and motivation yourself. Not your assistants, not David Beckham, yourself. As you only have the players for a short period of time and they need to believe in you and themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 It's strange seeing the media getting behind Newcastle Utd/One of our players. What's the world coming to.... next Andy Gray will pronounce his love of the club. Won't last long like. He'll have one bad game and be labelled a false hope before long. Aye, false Geordie Messiah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 s*** man Kaiz, you guys actually didn't beat Iceland. I know that's like some Viking derby or something, but come the f*** on! At least we've beaten modern Germany. So have England.... Either way Norway are shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 s*** man Kaiz, you guys actually didn't beat Iceland. I know that's like some Viking derby or something, but come the f*** on! At least we've beaten modern Germany. So have England.... Either way Norway are shite. I forgot that 2008 friendly in my hurry to get out a dig at your WC exit, my bad. And yeah we are, but we'll still rape Denmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 On another note, fuck me you English are in the shit with your current manager crop. I didn't think it was this bad, but fuck me. Obvious choice as England manager would be Roy Hodgson. Fuck Redknapp. There's nothing behind those two, though. Doesn't look like Hodgson will be able to ever become England manager now he'll ruin his reputation in England with the cursed Liverpool job, not to mention his age after the 2012 EC. Should've really just replaced Capello with Hodgson after the WC imo tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Saw him in the toon between half and 3 this morning. Hope that means he's not in the squad tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Capello mentally weak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Still too early for Carroll. And to be honest, Zamora deserves a chance more than Carroll. Zamora has been very impressive for more than 1 season while Carroll has just starred in 1 match. He should keep his head down and work extremely hard for at least 1 more season. Though, tactically, he is priceless for Capello. A frontline targetman who can set up plays with his aerial abilities is always the best partner for Rooney. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I agree that it's probably too early for Carroll but I was slightly disappointed that he didn't make it. Having said that I'm sure he'll get his chance and I agree with Zero, Zamora deserves to be there more than Carroll at this moment in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Capello is still a fantastic manager. People are far too quick to forget just how well we qualified especially after a dismal qualifying campaign under McClaren. He made his mistakes tactically but the players didn't look up for it. You can't polish a turd. I'd be just as happy going with another foreign manager once Capello goes. As long as they have the right qualities to do the job, I don't see how their nationality should matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Every time I've seen Zamora live I've been very unimpressed by him, suppose I must have just seen the wrong Fulham games. TBH I hope Carroll keeps developing slowly through the U21s, I don't want him to be selected for the senior side right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I'd pick Carroll over Zamora.We're supposed to be planning ahead,not just 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts