AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 What is it with some people's complete inability to understand simple english!?! Noone is saying the banner is totally at fault for what happened against hull. What people are saying is that it was one of many things that contributed to what happened against hull. One that didn't need to be there and one that goes against the whole ethos of what being a supporter of a football team is all about. Fans should be doing whatever they can to help the team win games as little as that might be. Not the opposite!!! That is bollocks for a start. Where does it say that you cannot present your anger as a football fan? Are we supposed to just sit there and take it, no matter what? As a whole our fans are crap when it comes to getting behind the team on a match day. You have little pockets of fans (and now the singing corner) who are prepared to sing and shout, but the majority of the ground is just happy to sit there and whinge (or occassionally punch the bloke in front of them). I agree that the fans of Newcastle should be doing more to help the team, but if one banner actually gets a response from the people who usually sigh and tut then christ, its done more than the football on the pitch has done all season. It's an interesting point about what being a fan means, I've got mixed feelings about it. Yes, I suppose if you pay your money then you're entitled to complain, but at the same time you should realise that it won't acheive anything other than negative outcomes, and will have a harmful effect on the team. Not just from the negative protests towards the board, but also in terms of the time it takes away from actually supporting the lads. Also, I can imagine players who aren't committed to the club for regional or historical reasons (i.e. like Taylor and Shola are) will be further alienated by the closed-minded and ignorant message of banners like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Also, I can imagine players who aren't committed to the club for regional or historical reasons (i.e. like Taylor and Shola are) will be further alienated by the closed-minded and ignorant message of banners like that. I know it's easy to stereotype footballers as thick, and by their actions a lot of them may not appear to be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they'd have to be pretty moronic to think the banner had anything to do with them, so your insinuation that they would be is far more closed-minded and ignorant than that banner. This sums it up: The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Also, I can imagine players who aren't committed to the club for regional or historical reasons (i.e. like Taylor and Shola are) will be further alienated by the closed-minded and ignorant message of banners like that. I know it's easy to stereotype footballers as thick, and by their actions a lot of them may not appear to be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they'd have to be pretty moronic to think the banner had anything to do with them, so your insinuation that they would be is far more closed-minded and ignorant than that banner. This sums it up: The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. On the first point, what I meant was that it demonstrates an attitude from the fans that might make players feel that we're not 100% 'on their side'. The second point, in my case wrong. Yes, I do disagree with the sentiment... but I also disagree with the way it is being expressed. To be honest, they're one and the same thing because IMO forming the opinion that you want the 'Cockney Mafia' out and displaying the banner to that effect require the same level of ignorance. If you just disagree with the way Ashley has run the club and want him to leave, then fair enough, but to me that feels like a slightly different point, or at least one formed more rationally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'm just expressing my personal view and my feelings towards the banner and what it stands for. Firstly it makes us look 'thick' (or whatever word you want to use) because only one of the people involved with the club could remotely be called a cockney. And even him, Wise, was born in Kensington - West London and definitely not a 'cockney'. Kinnear is Irish and connected to Spurs so also not a cockney, and Ashley is from Buckinghamshire. The banner just looks like unfocused ignorant vitriol. If you don't care about how Newcastle is perceived then fair enough, I can't argue with that. And if you think I disagree with the sentiment behind the banner then I've already clearly said that I do, I haven't made a U-turn or changed my views about Ashley at all since he arrived, except to express disappointment about how we have done so far this season, including with transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? You`ve got to be fucking joking HTT and NE5. Right explain to me how anyone owning or working for NUFC, Ashley,Wise etc have any Mafia connections or ways of doing things ? Its a useless use of a word. Its like calling an apple and orange and then stating it doesn`t make you look thick. Right now I couldn`t give a flying fuck who owns this club or who plays for it or who manages it. We have been shit for years and we will be. Speaking for myself I entered this thread because I couldn`t understand why "Cockney Mafia" was used in the first place. Ashley & Wise Out would have been the most to the point logical thing to write on your banner. Some people in this thread seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing and to me purposely missing other peoples points. Its like arguing with the misses reading this shit sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? You`ve got to be fucking joking HTT and NE5. Right explain to me how anyone owning or working for NUFC, Ashley,Wise etc have any Mafia connections or ways of doing things ? Its a useless use of a word. Its like calling an apple and orange and then stating it doesn`t make you look thick. Right now I couldn`t give a flying fuck who owns this club or who plays for it or who manages it. We have been shit for years and we will be. Speaking for myself I entered this thread because I couldn`t understand why "Cockney Mafia" was used in the first place. Ashley & Wise Out would have been the most to the point logical thing to write on your banner. Some people in this thread seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing and to me purposely missing other peoples points. Its like arguing with the misses reading this shit sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? You`ve got to be fucking joking HTT and NE5. Right explain to me how anyone owning or working for NUFC, Ashley,Wise etc have any Mafia connections or ways of doing things ? Its a useless use of a word. Its like calling an apple and orange and then stating it doesn`t make you look thick. Right now I couldn`t give a flying fuck who owns this club or who plays for it or who manages it. We have been shit for years and we will be. Speaking for myself I entered this thread because I couldn`t understand why "Cockney Mafia" was used in the first place. Ashley & Wise Out would have been the most to the point logical thing to write on your banner. Some people in this thread seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing and to me purposely missing other peoples points. Its like arguing with the misses reading this shit sometimes. it isn't the best choice of words, but most people with a bit of intelligence won't paint it as reading Geordies as being parochial. Only those who are pretty dumb think we are still cloth capped savages who look forward to our occasional trip to the smoke and the big city lights. The whole thing is just an expression of emotion, and doesn't embarrass me in the slightest. I don't know why people get themselves in such a twist over such things as people "laughing at them". Where do they laugh at them ? On message boards ? ON phone ins ? Everybody laughs at other football fans, its the name of the game. The sooner they come to terms with it, the better. I understand what you say, but I don't think its any big deal, unless you make it one yourself. We haven't been "shit for years" by the way. Most supporters would kill for what we have had in the last decade and a half, and living down south as you do you should be aware of this. As has also been previously posted, is it any different to manu fans and Liverpool wanting "yanks out" etc etc. No, it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? You`ve got to be fucking joking HTT and NE5. Right explain to me how anyone owning or working for NUFC, Ashley,Wise etc have any Mafia connections or ways of doing things ? Its a useless use of a word. Its like calling an apple and orange and then stating it doesn`t make you look thick. Right now I couldn`t give a flying fuck who owns this club or who plays for it or who manages it. We have been shit for years and we will be. Speaking for myself I entered this thread because I couldn`t understand why "Cockney Mafia" was used in the first place. Ashley & Wise Out would have been the most to the point logical thing to write on your banner. Some people in this thread seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing and to me purposely missing other peoples points. Its like arguing with the misses reading this shit sometimes. Jesus, if you're going to analyse the usage of words like that, god knows what you think of "Toon toon, Black and White army" We'd better change it to "City city, Black and White group of people who support the same association football team". Not sure it will scan though. How about another rewrite: We are the Geordies (and people born outside the region who happen to support Newcastle United for family or other reasons), the Geordie (and people born outside the region who happen to support Newcastle United for family or other reasons) boot (or other footwear) boys (girls, men or women), and we are mental (or sane) and we are mad (but to repeat actually most of us are quite sane), We are the loyalest (actually that's quite subjective and we're probably just as loyal as any other supporters of a similar sized team and grammatically it should really be "most loyal") football (association that is, no offence to any other code) supporters the world has ever had (although there is no empirical evidence to support this claim). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 The banner just makes us look thick as mince and won't achieve anything. Supporters should concentrate on supporting the team to get them through the match at hand. I don't get this thinking me. Thick as mince to who and since when do fans care what others think about? I don't and nor should anyone else. We're not LFC fans who need to be loved and and respected for some strange reason, in fact I know why, to validate themselves. Another thing, I honestly doubt anyone registered a flicker of emotion regarding that banner outside of Newcastle, certainly not the cockneys I know most thought it was funny and harmless. For me the pissy whinging element of reaction to it is embarrassing, small minded and tantamount to thick as mince. The real reason why some are against it is because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it, it has fuck all to do with being embarrassed, fuck all. That's just an excuse. Embarrassed by a few words? being "embarrassed by a few words" by someone else other than yourself, is the most embarrassing thing of all, and its been going on for a few years. With some obvious people making u-turns to suit the personalities, which I've already mentioned earlier. I just feel sorry for them. Poor things. You are absolutely right, its an excuse for an agenda or because they don't agree with the sentiment behind it. Who the hell thinks Mike Ashley is doing a good job for starters ? You`ve got to be fucking joking HTT and NE5. Right explain to me how anyone owning or working for NUFC, Ashley,Wise etc have any Mafia connections or ways of doing things ? Its a useless use of a word. Its like calling an apple and orange and then stating it doesn`t make you look thick. Right now I couldn`t give a flying fuck who owns this club or who plays for it or who manages it. We have been shit for years and we will be. Speaking for myself I entered this thread because I couldn`t understand why "Cockney Mafia" was used in the first place. Ashley & Wise Out would have been the most to the point logical thing to write on your banner. Some people in this thread seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing and to me purposely missing other peoples points. Its like arguing with the misses reading this shit sometimes. Jesus, if you're going to analyse the usage of words like that, god knows what you think of "Toon toon, Black and White army" We'd better change it to "City city, Black and White group of people who support the same association football team". Not sure it will scan though. How about another rewrite: We are the Geordies (and people born outside the region who happen to support Newcastle United for family or other reasons), the Geordie (and people born outside the region who happen to support Newcastle United for family or other reasons) boot (or other footwear) boys (girls, men or women), and we are mental (or sane) and we are mad (but to repeat actually most of us are quite sane), We are the loyalest (actually that's quite subjective and we're probably just as loyal as any other supporters of a similar sized team and grammatically it should really be "most loyal") football (association that is, no offence to any other code) supporters the world has ever seen (although there is no empirical evidence to support this claim). Do you think it will catch on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Once again people have totally missed the point me what i've said. I can't think of how to explain it in any simpler terms - and frankly i'm pretty sure that your just wilfully misrepresenting my point anyway - so i'm going to stop now as i can no longer be arsed with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't know why people get themselves in such a twist over such things as people "laughing at them". Not everyone gets all the practice at being laughed at that you've had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Sigh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Jay Sea Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Toonlass, UV, NE5, & HTT, IMO all correct in their view on this matter. IMO all 100% accurate. No, 110% accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Do you think it will catch on? If the "Toon City Ultras (but not with the hooligan connotations)" pick it up it might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't know why people get themselves in such a twist over such things as people "laughing at them". Not everyone gets all the practice at being laughed at that you've had. That's quite funny for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Its been used in the press loads since the banner came out, whether we as supporters laugh at it or not, journalists are using it to take the piss. If you gave me the chance, i'd kick Louise Taylor in the cunt. Similarly if you gave me the chance, i'd burn the banner. Its exactly the same thing. Both work against the image of the club and its supporters. Anyway, we're all forgetting the main point. We cant protest someone to buy the club. Its a pointless exercise, as we now all should realise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I don't know why people get themselves in such a twist over such things as people "laughing at them". Not everyone gets all the practice at being laughed at that you've had. hoho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Its been used in the press loads since the banner came out, whether we as supporters laugh at it or not, journalists are using it to take the piss. I've seen it used plenty as a picture to go alongside the text when talking about the subject, but I've not seen any journalists taking the piss out of it or using the text of it to take the piss out of the supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Its been used in the press loads since the banner came out, whether we as supporters laugh at it or not, journalists are using it to take the piss. I've seen it used plenty as a picture to go alongside the text when talking about the subject, but I've not seen any journalists taking the piss out of it or using the text of it to take the piss out of the supporters. Even if that was true, what do you think people think of it and the people who made it when they see the photos? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Its been used in the press loads since the banner came out, whether we as supporters laugh at it or not, journalists are using it to take the piss. I've seen it used plenty as a picture to go alongside the text when talking about the subject, but I've not seen any journalists taking the piss out of it or using the text of it to take the piss out of the supporters. I've read the phrase 'the supposed 'cockney mafia'' about 10 times since September from journalists not exactly desperate to put forward a balanced view about the club. As i cant be arsed to search for examples you may want to ignore my claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 As i cant be arsed to search for examples you may want to ignore my claim. I couldn't be either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 My take on the day in question and match in question was that the atmosphere in town, and in and around the ground that day was vile. We all know why. It had been made worse by constant and repeated TV and media coverage as the press parasites took their usual delight in relaying our scars and pain to the nation and the world. Whatever their individual opinion about what had taken place I think all true Newcastle fans were hurting that day. The atmosphere was as bad as anything I'd ever known. When I walked in the stadium the players were still warming up and my immediate take on the situation was that their body language was terrible their shoulders were down and frankly they looked like a beaten team before a ball had been kicked. Added to everything else we had key players out, a lob sided look to the team, a manager who did not want the job, a young foreign signing thrown straight in at the deep end, Shola making a surprise return and a bench full of kids. If ever a team needed the help of it's supporters it was Newcastle United that day. For that reason any protests should have been kept right OUTSIDE of the stadium. The protests which did occur and inevitably distracted everyone were not in themselves what caused the result but they did have a further negative effect on the outcome. In true Newcastle Online style we're probably at impasse on this one, some think the demonstartions inside the ground were acceptable. I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 When I walked in the stadium the players were still warming up and my immediate take on the situation was that their body language was terrible their shoulders were down and frankly they looked like a beaten team before a ball had been kicked. They were like that every game under Chris Houghton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Vile? It was pantomine stuff man. People were kicking footballs and balloons across the road outside Shearer's while taxis beeped and some naff betting ad-van drove backwards and forwards with KK plastered on the sides whereas inside there was more cheering for the club than KK or anti-Ashley sentiment. I was actually surprised KK's name wasn't chanted more often and with more fervour. The banner went up and the applause did spread but it was in a half arsed fashion and lasted less than a minute if that. At the time we were 1-0 down and playing appallingly while Hull were playing really well, a second was on the cards regardless as we were playing that bad and them that well. I too watched the warm-up and the players were beaten before they took to the pitch because their gaffer who they liked, trusted and believed in who had them playing well as a team and looking to go places, had left and no fucker at the club had the decency to put them in any picture never mind a picture, and not some banner. Whether the banner distracted Shay Given for a split second is f***ing irrelevant just like it was in relation to the result. 11 pages for this? For something so trivial and irrelevent? Some of the things being blamed on the banner alone is ridiculous and even if it did have some kind of impact, it would have been a very very very small one, with a big big pile of things on top of that responsible for the defeat to the point where the banner shouldn't even be talked about as a factor in the defeat. Its like saying if Hull lost at Wembley, we'd not have lost that game. Crazy. I find the reaction to the banner on here more dumb than the actual banner or the message and far more embarrassing. No wonder the media take the piss, they just have to scan a few pages on here and see how easily wound up we get over the slightest things. Give your heads a shake FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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