gray Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7848041.stm Are we though? I don't feel like we have a comedy defence anymore? Is that not just a cheap dig, "because thats what you say about newcastle"? I would say we are all over the shop midfieldely tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 We are all over the shop defensively, but it isn't about the individual defenders, it's about the team as a whole (Nicky Butt) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 We are all over the shop defensively, but it isn't about the individual defenders, it's about the team as a whole (Nicky Butt) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defence is dodgy at best, but midfield is certainly worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 BEYE(EBONDO?) COLOCCINI BASSONG ENRIQUE Jose is the weak link, but I still prefer him to past players - Babayaro for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 I'd say when we have no right back we are a bit suspect in defence, but nowhere near all over the place. With our first choice defence we look quite solid at the back. Though it could be argued that when they say "defensively" they mean how the team defends as a whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Lawro talking shite as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewellander Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Beye----Coloccini---Bassong----Enrique = a decent back four, at least compared to what we had in recent years. Any of those players gets injured and it seems to fall apart. I do agree that our general problem with our defending is down largely to our midfielders (and Enrique) giving the ball away too easily. We did have a run a while back where we were hard to score against, but that's when the back four above were all fit and Barton was playing in CM, so I feel a bit more confident with Barton back in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defensively we are average but whereas other teams get protection from their midfielders ours doesn't aside from Chelsea away and as a result the defence looks shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defensively we are average but whereas other teams get protection from their midfielders ours doesn't aside from Chelsea away and as a result the defence looks shite. Given, Beye, Colo, Shirly Bassy & Jose are good enough for a top 8 team, its very much let down by the soft centre in the middle of the park. A brave and wise man would put Colo in Butt's position, think Colo is weak in the air for a central defender but not for a DMC, in fact he's got the right tools for the job. Even with out of form Taylor back in there at CB with COlo in front of him we'd be a better team defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defensively we are average but whereas other teams get protection from their midfielders ours doesn't aside from Chelsea away and as a result the defence looks shite. Given, Beye, Colo, Shirly Bassy & Jose are good enough for a top 8 team, its very much let down by the soft centre in the middle of the park. A brave and wise man would put Colo in Butt's position, think Colo is weak in the air for a central defender but not for a DMC, in fact he's got the right tools for the job. Even with out of form Taylor back in there at CB with COlo in front of him we'd be a better team defensively. If we get this new RB in i think Colo in Butts role would be a good idea. New Guy - Taylor - Bassong - Jose Coloccini Jonas Barton Zog He can't do any worse than Butt really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Unless we get the new defensive midfielder as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Unless we get the new defensive midfielder as well. We can all dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Garbage really, the defence is the best we've had for years. The problem is, and has been since SBR left, the midfield is incapable of retaining or winning the ball. So even when we're in possession we've got to expect that at any moment the ball is going to come flying back towards our defence. At some point concentration breaks, a player stumbles, a pass is misplaced and the opposition is through. Why did we have a more successful defence when we had players like Dabizas, O'Brien, Hughes, etc.? Because we had a good midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alan Shearer 9 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Can't ever see Colo being played at DMC bythe shit managers we employ. I'd love to be proved wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Put a decent midfield in front of a fully fit defence and we'd be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Put a decent midfield in front of a fully fit defence and we'd be fine. that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defence of Beye Coloccini Bassong Enrique is fine, just needs a decent midfield to support them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Also Lawrenson is a cunt. Best ignored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezeri Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Defence of Beye Coloccini Bassong Enrique is fine, just needs a decent midfield to support them. Every supporter of the club can see it but how the f*** the board or coaching staff can't see it? Defence is good and very much capable to perform at this level when given some decent protection and cover in front of them. Just looking at the current selection of our midfielders capable of playing a central role is shocking(execpt Barton and maybe Guthrie)...Butt, Geremi, (N'Zogbia) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Just replace butt and get a right mid and we would be fine. Our mid lacks movement and organisation as a result we dont defend or attack as a team and owen and martins etc have to come deep to get the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 To be honest i dont rate Colocinni massively from his showing in the prem so far. Bassong yes class & has proved himself, Beye yes class and has proved himself. Colocinni...10 mill and has....er.....not made as many mistakes when Bassongs been around him. Not good enough for me really. I very very rarely if ever see a moment where i think "well played colo". I think that about the others, even Enrique a few times recently. Our main issue though is lack of balance in the centre. Its always two defensively minded centre mids who cant put in a good through ball......butt, guthrie even cacapa was tried there. Its all defensive and crap. Even Barton has a defensive mentality mainly, but he can atleast thread through a nice ball....we're so much better with him in the side. We just need an attacking option in the middle to link it up a bit, we're far far better on the attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 To be honest i dont rate Colocinni massively from his showing in the prem so far. Bassong yes class & has proved himself, Beye yes class and has proved himself. Colocinni...10 mill and has....er.....not made as many mistakes when Bassongs been around him. Not good enough for me really. I very very rarely if ever see a moment where i think "well played colo". I think that about the others, even Enrique a few times recently. Our main issue though is lack of balance in the centre. Its always two defensively minded centre mids who cant put in a good through ball......butt, guthrie even cacapa was tried there. Its all defensive and crap. Even Barton has a defensive mentality mainly, but he can atleast thread through a nice ball....we're so much better with him in the side. We just need an attacking option in the middle to link it up a bit, we're far far better on the attack. Me too. He lacks real height and and fails in terms of strength, therefore he needs to be sharp in his reading of the game, which so far has been average for him and poor to what i expected. It's been difficult times though at the back, but when a relative unknown cheap signing shines through then questions need to be asked of Colo's ability, its not as good as some on here think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 We are all over the shop defensively, but it isn't about the individual defenders, it's about the team as a whole (Nicky Butt) We were conceding goals from corners for fun against Liverpool, and that definitely isn't (only) about the individual defenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 We don't hold onto the ball. Pretty simple really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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