Matt Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Aye goes to show the extent of the farce under Shepherd that we have heavily invested and still fall short of the Cat 1 For all this talk of 'investment', can anyone in the know actually identify what this has been spent on? Or are we just going on paper talk? And someone will have to remind me who was running the club when we bought and upgraded the current training facilities, because I'm pretty sure that was about 10 years ago when Ashley was fully focused on selling clobber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Aye goes to show the extent of the farce under Shepherd that we have heavily invested and still fall short of the Cat 1 For all this talk of 'investment', can anyone in the know actually identify what this has been spent on? Or are we just going on paper talk? And someone will have to remind me who was running the club when we bought and upgraded the current training facilities, because I'm pretty sure that was about 10 years ago when Ashley was fully focused on selling clobber. Not sure what the current training facilities has to do with this seeing as the academy is a separate thing. To answer your question i have no idea what has been spent, without a detailed read of every years accounts i cant tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Cat 1 status clubs include Boro and Sunlun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Would've went to the ressies game against the heed tonight if the tickets weren't fucking 10quid. Madness. Same, scandalous that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I still don't understand the consequences of being a lower tier club. Simply less attractive to kids or can Sunderland / Boro now poach even more of our young uns? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 NETD no more lads NETD no more Seriously though, disappointed with that if I'm honest. Shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I still don't understand the consequences of being a lower tier club. Simply less attractive to kids or can Sunderland / Boro now poach even more of our young uns? They can poach more young uns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? Doesn't really matter right now how we missed out, we just did. If it's two years before you can reapply or whatever that a bummer. Two years is a long time in youth footballing terms. In fairness it would be nice to know though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? Doesn't really matter right now how we missed out, we just did. If it's two years before you can reapply or whatever that a bummer. Two years is a long time in youth footballing terms. In fairness it would be nice to know though. Well the official PL site says its judged on: Academies will be independently audited and given a Category status of 1 to 4, with 1 being the most elite. Up to 10 different factors will be considered in the grading, including productivity rates; training facilities; and coaching, education and welfare provisions. Even they are being vague in the criteria. Still with no answers the reaction is 'indefensible' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 We missed out based on 'education and welfare provisions', IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? No I don't. It was however a stated goal of the Club (Publicised in February this year). The audit for clubs took place in March. Given the supposed emphasis on youth and the fact that these changes had been mooted for a while it seems pretty bad if the club haven't been able to get its house in order. A club insider (Journal February) said it was 'imperative' to Ashley's vision for the future of the club. If it was my business and I had missed out I would be pretty disappointed. If it was my business, necks would be on chopping blocks and heads would be rolling right about now. I'm really disappointed about that man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? No I don't. It was however a stated goal of the Club (Publicised in February this year). The audit for clubs took place in March. Given the supposed emphasis on youth and the fact that these changes had been mooted for a while it seems pretty bad if the club haven't been able to get its house in order. A club insider (Journal February) said it was 'imperative' to Ashley's vision for the future of the club. If it was my business and I had missed out I would be pretty disappointed. I will wait for facts then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Didn't make it, fact or should that be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Would the U18s play against inferior opposition as a result of this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 So what does this mean, i understand we cant take youth from other regions - so no change from now But will this mean other regions can come take guys like Remi Streete, and Adam Campbell etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 If Boro are cat 1 then there is no excuse that we are not. let's hope we don't lose out on any good players because of this. Just as I thought the club had sorted itself out. Disgraceful tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Didn't make it, fact or should that be No idea what you are talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 If Boro are cat 1 then there is no excuse that we are not. let's hope we don't lose out on any good players because of this. Just as I thought the club had sorted itself out. Disgraceful tbh. They have had quite a highly rated youth setup for a while though whereas it's clearly obvious that we are still playing catch up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Squad for tonight: Rob Elliot, Jak Alnwick, Alex Nicholson, Paul Dummett, Curtis Good, Michael Riley, Steven Logan, Conor Newton, Mehdi Abeid, Michael Richardson. Gael Bigirimana, Liam Henderson, Brandon Miele, Bradden Inman, Romain Amalfitano, Marcus Maddison, Dennis Good luck to Curtis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Seems pretty indefensible if we haven't been able to get it. So you know exactly what criteria was involved and how we missed out? No I don't. It was however a stated goal of the Club (Publicised in February this year). The audit for clubs took place in March. Given the supposed emphasis on youth and the fact that these changes had been mooted for a while it seems pretty bad if the club haven't been able to get its house in order. A club insider (Journal February) said it was 'imperative' to Ashley's vision for the future of the club. If it was my business and I had missed out I would be pretty disappointed. I will wait for facts then http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24264160.jpg Took you two attempts just for that? poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Squad for tonight: Rob Elliot, Jak Alnwick, Alex Nicholson, Paul Dummett, Curtis Good, Michael Riley, Steven Logan, Conor Newton, Mehdi Abeid, Michael Richardson. Gael Bigirimana, Liam Henderson, Brandon Miele, Bradden Inman, Romain Amalfitano, Marcus Maddison, Dennis Good luck to Curtis. Getting back on topic thats a pretty strong squad, quite tempted to spend £10 to go down there now. Be nice to have an early viewing of CG too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 If Boro are cat 1 then there is no excuse that we are not. let's hope we don't lose out on any good players because of this. Just as I thought the club had sorted itself out. Disgraceful tbh. Boro have produced some decent players in the recent past tbf.. Their academy players regularly manage to graduate to the first team, so somebody is doing a good work there. But the mackems? They'd always brag about how much better their Academy is but they haven't actually produced anybody. Colback seems reliable but nothing special; Henderson, his suspect qualities aside, he has no shoulders ffs! The NE Academy Top Dawgs could've surely given him a better fitness schedule during all those years he spent there. And who else is there.. fucking David Meyler.. aye, well done Sunderland.. state of the art stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I think it's embarrassing for the club tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I think it's embarrassing too but it's clearly Shepherd's fault. Ashley has invested a lot into the academy from what we've heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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