Pilko Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'd rather give Shola another season as main striker than giving Xisco yet another chance. Yet another? He's made 9 appearances ffs, about half of which were starts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'd give him a go, if we sell we'd get nowt anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Give him another chance because he might actually be good? Try telling that to all the managers we've had since he arrived who haven't rated him. Deportivo just got relegated and he wasn't even first choice with them. Teams in Spain aren't even interested in him (unless it's for free) although the huge wages he's on won't help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Need to bite the bullet and get him out of the club. Clearly got no future here and is taking the piss. Move him on to whoever is daft enough to take him. How do you arrive at that conclusion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 If we don't sell him we can give him a fair chance, but then he have to show himself in training and in games of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToonArmy Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 It`s a shame the Xisco loan deal to Deportivo already went through last Jan.....just as Carroll`s late transfer came around. With our lack of forward cover at the back end of last season it would have been an ideal time to see if Xisco really was upto but it`s all ifs and buts...... Still not sure about him but he has definitely not been given a fair chance (whether it`s down the X number of games = extra payment to Depor rumour I don`t know). He`s done fine in the very few games he`s actually played though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I'd rather give Shola another season as main striker than giving Xisco yet another chance. I think you hve those names the wrong way round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Give him another chance because he might actually be good? Try telling that to all the managers we've had since he arrived who haven't rated him. Deportivo just got relegated and he wasn't even first choice with them. Teams in Spain aren't even interested in him (unless it's for free) although the huge wages he's on won't help. Shush, he hasn't had a chance, all the managers who he has played under just don't like Spanish people and he has a clause in his contract which means we have to pay millions out if he plays him again. That's why he was only given his 9th game when we desperately needed a goal against Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Give him another chance because he might actually be good? Try telling that to all the managers we've had since he arrived who haven't rated him. Deportivo just got relegated and he wasn't even first choice with them. Teams in Spain aren't even interested in him (unless it's for free) although the huge wages he's on won't help. Shush, he hasn't had a chance, all the managers who he has played under just don't like Spanish people and he has a clause in his contract which means we have to pay millions out if he plays him again. That's why he was only given his 9th game when we desperately needed a goal against Villa. It's a fact that Chris Hughton, Alan Shearer, Alan Pardew don't like Spanish people? You know for a fact about clauses in Xisco's contract do you? And you tell me to shush? Xisco has been available to loan or buy more or less for every season since his first season with NUFC. Why doesn't a Spanish side want him then? Racing Santander loaned him for a season but didn't try to buy him. Newly relegated Deportivo supposedly want him (although they didn't think he was good enough to start much when they loaned him for the top flight). Xisco is 2nd division class in Spain but people think we should play him in the Premiership? Xisco's record is mainly in the lower leagues. Years Team Apps† (Gls)† 2004–2006 Deportivo B 53 (39) 2004–2008 Deportivo La Coruña 44 (12) 2006–2007 → Vecindario (loan) 27 (13) 2008– Newcastle United 9 (1) 2009–2010 → Racing Santander (loan) 23 (3) 2011 → Deportivo La Coruña (loan) 9 (2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Jim%C3%A9nez_Tejada If it was a Championship striker NUFC had bought with a similar record to Xisco's nobody on here would be wanting to give him yet another chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I was taking the piss out of the usual excuses that come up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I was taking the p*ss out of the usual excuses that come up Fair enough. You should have used a or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? As soon as I read you telling me to "Shush" I was on skim read mode so I could rush to get my reply in! The stats about Xisco in my reply still stands though for anyone who genuinely thinks we should give him another go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Get rid ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? As soon as I read you telling me to "Shush" I was on skim read mode so I could rush to get my reply in! The stats about Xisco in my reply still stands though for anyone who genuinely thinks we should give him another go. Haha you utter mong. Brilliant catch Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? As soon as I read you telling me to "Shush" I was on skim read mode so I could rush to get my reply in! The stats about Xisco in my reply still stands though for anyone who genuinely thinks we should give him another go. Haha you utter mong. Brilliant catch Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? As soon as I read you telling me to "Shush" I was on skim read mode so I could rush to get my reply in! The stats about Xisco in my reply still stands though for anyone who genuinely thinks we should give him another go. Haha you utter mong. Brilliant catch Jon I thought the Villa comment would have given it away, were we 4 or 5-0 up when he came on? As soon as I read you telling me to "Shush" I was on skim read mode so I could rush to get my reply in! The stats about Xisco in my reply still stands though for anyone who genuinely thinks we should give him another go. Haha you utter mong. Brilliant catch Jon Haha you utter mong Stu! Doing a double post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steggy Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Need to bite the bullet and get him out of the club. Clearly got no future here and is taking the piss. Move him on to whoever is daft enough to take him. How do you arrive at that conclusion? He does nothing to earn his money. He does nothing to suggest he's prepared to sacrifice his massive wage to actually further his career. The fact he's on about £50k a week isn't his fault but he appears to be milking the cub for every penny he can whilst foregoing his career. What about asking for a transfer? Making money appears to be far more important than playing football for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 How do we know he's on 50k? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 He's on 45k actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Thought it was common knowledge. That's the figure that's been bandied about or the last few years. My point wouldn't change if it was only £30k a week tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 What's he supposed to do? No-one seems to want to buy him and he can't exactly just resign and head off down the job centre. We've had some wasters and piss takers at the club in the last few years but I wouldn't bracket him with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Need to bite the bullet and get him out of the club. Clearly got no future here and is taking the piss. Move him on to whoever is daft enough to take him. How do you arrive at that conclusion? He does nothing to earn his money. He does nothing to suggest he's prepared to sacrifice his massive wage to actually further his career. The fact he's on about £50k a week isn't his fault but he appears to be milking the cub for every penny he can whilst foregoing his career. What about asking for a transfer? Making money appears to be far more important than playing football for him. From what I understand, being settled and being happy is the most important thing to him now. At 22, he came here because of the ludicrous wage being thrown at him by Wise/Jiminez but ended up being painted as the "signing that broke the camel's back" - which was not his own doing. He's then been "managed" by Kinnear, Hughton, Shearer, Hughton again - who either doesn't rate him or doesn't like him as he sent him packing to Spain for a year while we were in the Championship*, then kept him out of the team during the first half of last season before arranging a loan back to Deportivo (this was supposedly delayed until the end of the transfer window "just in case Caroll was sold and we couldn't find a replacement" ) From what I understand, he genuinely likes the city and the fans (the weather, not so much) - he's hardly had a run of games to 'prove himself' - even in the cup matches (Accrington, Stevenage, etc.) he didn't even get a place on the bench. When he did get a few games for Deportivo, the match reports I read seemed to be getting more and more positive, they then found themselves in deep relegation trouble and the manager drops to one senior striker in a 4-5-1 formation and Xisco had to make do with 15-20mins off the bench for the last few games, almost scoring with his first touch in the Nou Camp (so it looks as though he was making the right run, he just hadn't got the composure to take the chance or hadn't found his 'game-feet' yet). When we're still paying the likes of Lovenkrands a wage and we don't have anyone knocking down our door to take Xisco off our hands (discounted or not), why don't we integrate him back into the club, make him feel like he's part of the squad and see how it pans out for the first half of the season. We cannot expect to get rid of Best and rely on Lovenkrands/Ameobi for consistent back up. *FWIW, I think a season in the Championship could have done wonders for his Newcastle career, in the same way Colo and Enrique were able to adjust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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