RIP sale thread.

[Guest northwestmag1892]

Have to say, it's almost certifiably ridiculous to believe that Ashley is delaying the sale (and writing off £100-£150 million) out of nothing but spite against the club and its supporters.

 

Explain some of the logic behind his decisions since he bought the club then. If he's shown one thing, it's that you cannot predict the man's motives because common sense (and logic) go out of the window where he is concerned.

 

Bad decisions and crap businessman.

 

Doesn't wash with me. Firstly, he's a successful businessman away from football. You don't get there by making consistently bad decisions, which is what he's done with this football club for the past almost year. There's more to it than that.

 

A post of mine from last year...

 

Re: Kevin Keegan officially resigns as NUFC manager - see OP for statement

« Reply #3855 on: September 04, 2008, 08:03:37 PM »

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I may be losing it, but picture this:

 

I wonder if this was all done on purpose by a fan of Spurs. "Avin a larf" with his mates Llambias et al in a Larndan boozer one night decides it would be a right larf to buy NUFC and then destroy it along with hurting it's fans by destroying a legendary manager in the process.

 

How would you do that?

 

1) Buy NUFC

2) Sack unpopular manager and recruit KK

3) Undermine KK by appointing a Director of Football in the form of an odious little runt, totally unqualified to do the role

4) Promise major new signings

5) Go back on promises

6) Sell players that are key to KK

7) Engage in discussions with KK

8) Leak a report to Sky that KK had told friends that had been sacked

9) Engage in more discussions with KK

10) Stand your ground and insist that Wise stays

11) Get your Chairman to write a letter to KK outlining that you're not prepared to meet any of his demands

...

KK left with no option to resign.

 

You couldn't make it up...

[Spider Jerusalem]

He's neglected the club completely over the past 48 months.

 

FYP

 

If this is true then we are completely fucked as we have, no fucking manager and no fucking team for the first series of fixtures.

[Spider Jerusalem]

Im not believing anything until habibbeye has said it.

 

Is that the real of fake one.....

[Carlito]

Have to say, it's almost certifiably ridiculous to believe that Ashley is delaying the sale (and writing off £100-£150 million) out of nothing but spite against the club and its supporters.

 

Explain some of the logic behind his decisions since he bought the club then. If he's shown one thing, it's that you cannot predict the man's motives because common sense (and logic) go out of the window where he is concerned.

 

Bad decisions and crap businessman.

 

Doesn't wash with me. Firstly, he's a successful businessman away from football. You don't get there by making consistently bad decisions, which is what he's done with this football club for the past almost year. There's more to it than that.

 

A post of mine from last year...

 

Re: Kevin Keegan officially resigns as NUFC manager - see OP for statement

« Reply #3855 on: September 04, 2008, 08:03:37 PM »

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I may be losing it, but picture this:

 

I wonder if this was all done on purpose by a fan of Spurs. "Avin a larf" with his mates Llambias et al in a Larndan boozer one night decides it would be a right larf to buy NUFC and then destroy it along with hurting it's fans by destroying a legendary manager in the process.

 

How would you do that?

 

1) Buy NUFC

2) Sack unpopular manager and recruit KK

3) Undermine KK by appointing a Director of Football in the form of an odious little runt, totally unqualified to do the role

4) Promise major new signings

5) Go back on promises

6) Sell players that are key to KK

7) Engage in discussions with KK

8) Leak a report to Sky that KK had told friends that had been sacked

9) Engage in more discussions with KK

10) Stand your ground and insist that Wise stays

11) Get your Chairman to write a letter to KK outlining that you're not prepared to meet any of his demands

...

KK left with no option to resign.

 

You couldn't make it up...

 

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

[Stifler]

More media bull, trying to save their own backs, because they have no idea how long it will take, but it will probs be within a month, if not they will just come out with the same headline a month later untill they are right.

[Spider Jerusalem]

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

 

The worst thing is it does look like the consipacry theorists could be right.

 

You cannot take over a company and make so many bad decisions and look back end EVERY SINGLE DECISON that you have made in two years has been the wrong fucking one.  Statisicly it should have been 60 /40 but this guy has been 100% pig shit thick on descision making since he took over you would have to look and wonder how he made ten bob not nigh on two billion.

[Guest fading star]

The revenge option becomes increasingly more plausible with every passing day. Sad lonely billionaire buys football club on a whim so he can hang out with the lads in the away end. Then he shits on KK and his new found friends turn on him. Like a spurned lover he vows to have his revenge - no matter how much it costs.

 

We know very little about Ashley. If reports of his reclusive nature are to be believed buying NUFC appears to have triggered a dramatic personality change. One minute he’s hiding in the bushes cheering on Mardona, the next he’s giving it the big man around town thing and exposing his belly on national TV. Is it unrealistic to ask if he might be having a nervous breakdown?

 

[David Icke - Son of God]

I'd bet my house on the Grauniad simply lifting that from .COM. Their article effectively reads "It could be this week, could be in a month. We know nowt."

 

Some people need to seriously get a grip. There is no way MA would keep the club out of spite. He simply can't afford to. As his bank balance lurches ever closer to the red this club becomes even more of a burden. Okay, he may not be paying the players but the longer he keeps it the higher the overdraft and the smaller the sale price will be. We all know he needs tha £60-100 million to plug a rather large hole in his personal wealth.

 

My own gut feeling is that a sale is probably closer than we think. It may not be this week or even next week but i'm confident we'll go into the season with a new owner and in better shape than we expect. Keith Harris isn't shouting from the rooftops how good this club is, which is his usual tactic when he's trying to peddle a completely unsalable asset, so he may actually be quite busy.

[David Icke - Son of God]

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

 

The worst thing is it does look like the consipacry theorists could be right.

 

You cannot take over a company and make so many bad decisions and look back end EVERY SINGLE DECISON that you have made in two years has been the wrong fucking one.  Statisicly it should have been 60 /40 but this guy has been 100% pig shit thick on descision making since he took over you would have to look and wonder how he made ten bob not nigh on two billion.

 

Not strictly true. His initial running of the club, especially on the financial side was fairly sound. It was only when it came to making proper footballing decisions that the arse fell out (Keegan? Wise? JFK? Even Shearer to a certain extent?). He surrounded himself with his mates rather than footballing people and that was when the major problems arose.

 

Anyone who thinks he is fucking us over on purpose needs their head checking and then stoving in with a shovel.

[midds]

Heard tonight that the smogs are speculating that Boro went down deliberately so they could 'create interest' in the club again and bounce back again whilst trimming the outgoings.

 

Retards. 

[Dave]

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

 

The worst thing is it does look like the consipacry theorists could be right.

 

You cannot take over a company and make so many bad decisions and look back end EVERY SINGLE DECISON that you have made in two years has been the wrong fucking one. Statisicly it should have been 60 /40 but this guy has been 100% pig shit thick on descision making since he took over you would have to look and wonder how he made ten bob not nigh on two billion.

 

Not strictly true. His initial running of the club, especially on the financial side was fairly sound. It was only when it came to making proper footballing decisions that the arse fell out (Keegan? Wise? JFK? Even Shearer to a certain extent?). He surrounded himself with his mates rather than footballing people and that was when the major problems arose.

 

Anyone who thinks he is fucking us over on purpose needs their head checking and then stoving in with a shovel.

 

 

He might be fucking stupid, but he's not stupid enough to deliberately throw away £50m on top of the £200m he's already lost on us. Of course he wants the best possible deal but there will come a point where the buyers literally say 'It's now or never' and he'll take what's on offer.

 

If they're in contact with Shearer that point will be approaching very quickly.

[Guest nwgeordie]

If and when we learn that Shearer is summoned to London - we will then know that its time . Ashley has given in!

[Spider Jerusalem]

Not strictly true. His initial running of the club, especially on the financial side was fairly sound. It was only when it came to making proper footballing decisions that the arse fell out (Keegan? Wise? JFK? Even Shearer to a certain extent?). He surrounded himself with his mates rather than footballing people and that was when the major problems arose.

 

Anyone who thinks he is fucking us over on purpose needs their head checking and then stoving in with a shovel.

 

Are those the initial decisions of allowing Allardyce taking the funds from the sale of Kieron Dyer and bringing in Alan Smith being taken into acount there?  You can say what you want about the conspiracy theorists, but EVERY decision that he has been involved in has fucked us over, from not going through due diligence to where we are today and will still do into next season.  He's not trying to fuck us over but the bloke is a pig shit thick chancer who has been as lucky as fuck up until two years ago, but now luck is biting him on the arse.

[Teasy]

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

 

The worst thing is it does look like the consipacry theorists could be right.

 

You cannot take over a company and make so many bad decisions and look back end EVERY SINGLE DECISON that you have made in two years has been the wrong fucking one.  Statisicly it should have been 60 /40 but this guy has been 100% pig shit thick on descision making since he took over you would have to look and wonder how he made ten bob not nigh on two billion.

 

Why did he bring Shearer in for the last 8 games?  Because he thought that would guarentee our relegation?  Why did he sack Allardyce and bring Keegan in?, because he thought Allardyce was doing too well?  Please lets stop this idea now before it turns into a cult for fuck sake

 

Plus not every decision he's made has been completely wrong, just most of them, and all of them can be explained by an absolute idiot who doesn't have a single clue about Football.

[Incognito]

Interesting theory but if that was the case then we'd have to suggest that he wipes his arse with the millions he's lost

 

The worst thing is it does look like the consipacry theorists could be right.

 

You cannot take over a company and make so many bad decisions and look back end EVERY SINGLE DECISON that you have made in two years has been the wrong fucking one.  Statisicly it should have been 60 /40 but this guy has been 100% pig shit thick on descision making since he took over you would have to look and wonder how he made ten bob not nigh on two billion.

 

Not strictly true. His initial running of the club, especially on the financial side was fairly sound. It was only when it came to making proper footballing decisions that the arse fell out (Keegan? Wise? JFK? Even Shearer to a certain extent?). He surrounded himself with his mates rather than footballing people and that was when the major problems arose.

 

Anyone who thinks he is fucking us over on purpose needs their head checking and then stoving in with a shovel.

 

 

He might be fucking stupid, but he's not stupid enough to deliberately throw away £50m on top of the £200m he's already lost on us. Of course he wants the best possible deal but there will come a point where the buyers literally say 'It's now or never' and he'll take what's on offer.

 

If they're in contact with Shearer that point will be approaching very quickly.

 

Not if there's a pot at the end of the rainbow...see my conspiracy thread.

[Guest michaelfoster]

Have you seen the new away top yet? That's another 'parting gift' from Ashley. I firmly believe that his intent is to set the club back by more years than he already has. Scorched Earth policy? You bet your bollocks.

 

Ashley has nowt to do with the design or colour of the strip ffs

 

[Tachikoma]

I'm starting to think the current Mike Ashley we know is nothing more than a conman who has taken over the real Mike Ashley's identity, because I just can't imagine how this retard was a "self-made billionaire".

[Decky]

We.Are.Fucked

 

Face it lads

[TooonDoom]

I don't believe any of the holding onto the club out of spite stuff.  What we do know about Ashley is that he is a gambler.  Will he take an offer on the table or gamble the fact that he might not sell the club for the sake of making an extra million?  The whole sale thing has probably come down to a big game or roulette for him.

[ohmelads]

Well we know he doesn't care at all for the club and will get the best deal for himself. So I'm not surprised to see him drawing this out.

 

If it goes on into August I can see a mass boycott, as it may be the only means of forcing him out in a hurry. We'll be left with no alternative if this goes on much longer, the club is in freefall.

[Spider Jerusalem]

 

Why did he bring Shearer in for the last 8 games?  Because he thought that would guarentee our relegation?  Why did he sack Allardyce and bring Keegan in?, because he thought Allardyce was doing too well?  Please lets stop this idea now before it turns into a cult for fuck sake

 

 

 

Looking back I honestly cannot remember a decision that he has made that has been the correct one in the past two years.

 

Why go into the last four months of a season without a proven manager, dragging your heels and leaving Houghton and Calderwood in charge for two of them even though it's apparent that they are well out of thier depth.  Joe Kinnear?  The sacking of Allerdyce, in the middle of a transfer window, when we were in a so-so position in the league, and the replacment of him with Keegan (who he also failed to back) looks more like an attempt to generate season ticket sales for three years in hindsight.

 

But that's where all conspiracy theories come from though - hindsight.  Do I beleive that hes done this deliberately?  No.  We are in the position we are as he has made bad decisions based on his own ineptitude and taking bad advice.  He gambled our position in the league, probably looked at the three teams that came up last year and thought, 'lovely, those three will be going straight back down, no need to invest that much this time around'.  And then when it came to the next window looked at our position in the league at that point and thought we looked relatively safe and failed to invest again.  Unfortunately for us the gamble backfired, we lost our place in the league and he lost a shit load of money. 

[Slugsy]

This process could last as long or as short as Ashley wants to make it.

[JH]

It's another case of the conspiracy-mad society that we live in.

 

As if Ashley's doing this deliberately ffs, he's already lost loads of his own fortune this year, he wouldn't deliberately mess about with Newcastle for a laugh; he needs the money!

 

Some are jus looking for excuses. Fact is, he's just an inept clueless twat

[Skirge]

Mike Ashley's price too high for bidders

Jul 6 2009  by Stuart Rayner, The Journal

 

MIKE Ashley will have to lower his £100m asking price to achieve the quick sale of Newcastle United he told fans he was looking for in May.

 

Legal representatives and accountants of the various consortia interested in the recently-relegated club have been poring over the Magpies’ books for the last couple of weeks before deciding whether to lodge official bids. But the biggest concern is a belief that the club is overvalued.

 

Relegation from the Premier League brought a massive drop in revenue, principally from television companies, and the “parachute payment” given to relegated clubs to soften the blow makes up only a fraction of the shortfall.

 

Even after releasing high earners Michael Owen and Mark Viduka, United’s wage bill is believed to be £65m a year and, with Ashley reluctant to appoint a manager or make any signings before handing over control, there has been little incentive for supporters to renew their season tickets.

 

The official line is the club is optimistic of pushing through a deal “this week”, but almost from the moment it was put back on the market at the end of last season, the mantra has been that the process was seldom more than seven days from starting. The confidentiality clauses signed by all interested parties have so far been well enforced, but the prevailing feeling seems to be that United have been overpriced by at least £20m.

 

Even £100m represents a major loss on Ashley’s 2007 investment, which included an interest-free loan to clear debts incurred under previous chairman Freddie Shepherd.

 

All the time Alan Shearer remains in limbo.

 

Shearer was in interim control of the first team for the final eight games of last season and is seen as Newcastle’s “manager-in-waiting”.

 

But with Ashley not yet knowing who he will sell to – never mind whether the deal has been completed – he has been unwilling to foist a manager on his successor.

 

Until then Shearer must sit on his hands, unable to do more than draw up wish-lists of players which reportedly include Manchester United’s Fraizer Campbell and Manchester City’s Ched Evans and hope to be appointed before his targets lose patience and move elsewhere.

 

Ashley has also been understandably reluctant to sell players but, with the Magpies continuing to pay big wages they can ill afford, they are now actively trying to offload Obafemi Martins and Fabricio Coloccini with Shearer’s blessing.

 

The danger remains that Shearer could reach the end of his tether and take a job elsewhere.

 

At the weekend he was again linked with former club Southampton – who will also have to find new owners before they can proceed – while his predecessor Joe Kinnear again pitched for the United job.

 

“Mike (Ashley) knows I’m still available,” said Kinnear.

 

“I’m not sure how far down the road they are to selling it.

 

“If they don’t and haven’t got anyone else, then I’d love to return.”

 

Departing captain Owen has backed his friend and former strike partner Shearer for the job, but urged whoever it is to keep as much of last season’s squad as possible intact.

 

“Hopefully Alan will take the job and it’ll start coming back for them,” said Owen, who joined Manchester United on Friday on a two-year deal after his St James’s Park contract expired three days earlier.

 

“Even just in the few weeks that he took over everyone can see there’s something there and he’ll be a success in management.

 

“He’ll be great for Newcastle to have. He’s got a real feeling and passion for the club and that’s what they need at this time.

 

“I’d like to think whether the owner stays on or a new owner comes in they’d keep a lot of the better players.

 

“It’s a massive club and hopefully they can get back up.”

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/07/06/mike-ashley-s-price-too-high-for-bidders-61634-24081250/

[Dave]

That's a nothing article.