Incognito Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Big Andy get a shout? Maybe? Id certainly take him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 You've got to start as many of the Liverpool side as possible, the more players you get playing together from the same team the better the defensive and offensive cohesion, even if that does mean playing fucking Henderson. see the point but not at the expense of henderson playing instead of barkley...bear in mind henderson looks good in rodgers' well oiled passing and moving machine but planted into hodgson's hands he'll almost certainly end up looking like what he is, a decent footballer but little else...at least barkley can skin people and beat them on his own, carry the ball up the pitch, bring others into play, you need that at international level not loads of limited, tidy footballers if barlkey doesn't play we deserve what we get as a country tbh, in this tournament and going forward...what're we so fucking scared of, that the kid might not be afraid and go and have a great tournament? the alternative he has a shit tournament, but at lease he'll learn something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can't understand anyone posting a team without Barkley in it tbh. Madness. Think you are over hyping Barkley a bit yes he has played very well this season and scored some good goals but he's still very young making the cross decision and giving away the ball cheaply. Give him a few more seasons and he has the potential to be an England starter but for this World Cup i think its a bit too early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can't understand anyone posting a team without Barkley in it tbh. Madness. Think you are over hyping Barkley a bit yes he has played very well this season and scored some good goals but he's still very young making the cross decision and giving away the ball cheaply. Give him a few more seasons and he has the potential to be an England starter but for this World Cup i think its a bit too early. Couldn't disagree more, he has the look of a big game player to me. Also the finished article? I've been watching England groom 'finished articles' for more than 25 years and it's never done us any good whatsoever. If the alternative was much better than Henderson then yeah, but it's not. Henderson will get laughed off the pitch at a world cup man, if they even bother to consider he's there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ------------------Hart--------------------- Johnson---Cahill---Jagielka---Cole/Baines ----------------Gerrard-------------------- -----Henderson-------Lallana------------ -----------------Sterling------------------- --------Rooney----------Sturridge-------- IMO the top 11 for you guys. They'd have a huge problem going past their group with a line-up like that. I know many like Henderson, but there must be someone better there. Always found him extremely average and even when I watch him in this winning side he doesn't impress me. I just think a team like that plays right into Uruguays strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Can't understand anyone posting a team without Barkley in it tbh. Madness. Think you are over hyping Barkley a bit yes he has played very well this season and scored some good goals but he's still very young making the cross decision and giving away the ball cheaply. Give him a few more seasons and he has the potential to be an England starter but for this World Cup i think its a bit too early. Couldn't disagree more, he has the look of a big game player to me. Also the finished article? I've been watching England groom 'finished articles' for more than 25 years and it's never done us any good whatsoever. If the alternative was much better than Henderson then yeah, but it's not. Henderson will get laughed off the pitch at a world cup man, if they even bother to consider he's there. Depending on what formation he plays I would put lallana ahead of him at the minute. If they are good enough they should play I think he would be a great option to come off the bench with 25-30minutes remaining as he can stretch the play with his pace and direct running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ------------------Hart--------------------- Johnson---Cahill---Jagielka---Cole/Baines ----------------Gerrard-------------------- -----Henderson-------Lallana------------ -----------------Sterling------------------- --------Rooney----------Sturridge-------- IMO the top 11 for you guys. They'd have a huge problem going past their group with a line-up like that. I know many like Henderson, but there must be someone better there. Always found him extremely average and even when I watch him in this winning side he doesn't impress me. I just think a team like that plays right into Uruguays strength. agree, i think having henderson in there just plays into the opp hands as he's not really a threat...you can't have him and gerrard not threatening the other team, which is what that would end up with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 ------------------Hart--------------------- Johnson---Cahill---Jagielka---Cole/Baines ----------------Gerrard-------------------- -----Henderson-------Lallana------------ -----------------Sterling------------------- --------Rooney----------Sturridge-------- IMO the top 11 for you guys. They'd have a huge problem going past their group with a line-up like that. I know many like Henderson, but there must be someone better there. Always found him extremely average and even when I watch him in this winning side he doesn't impress me. I just think a team like that plays right into Uruguays strength. agree, i think having henderson in there just plays into the opp hands as he's not really a threat...you can't have him and gerrard not threatening the other team, which is what that would end up with Uruguay plays with three centre mids that are tactically conservative and very defensive. They usually rely heavily on their fullbacks and strikers to create for them. I think playing Gerrard and Henderson sill make it easy for them. I really like Lallana, but think he'd cause more problems in a more advanced role like at Southampton. Has England been playing a 4-3-3 lately or 4-4-2 like always? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 also funny how barkley isn't ready but people have sterling as their number fucking 10 he's come good these last few months but he's not been pissing it all season, people seem to forget Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Is Gerrard really the best holding midfielder you've got? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 also funny how barkley isn't ready but people have sterling as their number fucking 10 he's come good these last few months but he's not been pissing it all season, people seem to forget I wouldn't say Barkley has been pissing it all season either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 also funny how barkley isn't ready but people have sterling as their number fucking 10 he's come good these last few months but he's not been pissing it all season, people seem to forget I wouldn't say Barkley has been pissing it all season either. i didn't, but then who has? i'm arguing in favour of playing him ahead of henderson or another "known quantity"...youth and unpredictability vs. steady away not likely to do much of anything as stated, i also feel henderson will revert back to looking more ordinary when out of liverpool's system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Wouldn't mind seeing Neil's view on Barkley's fitness. Under Martinez he always seems to be in and out of the side, subbed on/off. You'll see him have a storming game then the next match he'll be on the bench. A lot of quick games in succession in that heat and my worry with Barkley is if he has the engine and fitness in him to come through it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Wouldn't mind seeing Neil's view on Barkley's fitness. Under Martinez he always seems to be in and out of the side, subbed on/off. You'll see him have a storming game then the next match he'll be on the bench. A lot of quick games in succession in that heat and my worry with Barkley is if he has the engine and fitness in him to come through it? It's possibly just Martinez protecting him. He's spoken about it in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Is Gerrard really the best holding midfielder you've got? Why play with a holding midfielder? It's pointless in international football in 2014. Gerrard's the best option to sit deep and concentrate on playing the better pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 Is Gerrard really the best holding midfielder you've got? Why play with a holding midfielder? It's pointless in international football in 2014. Gerrard's the best option to sit deep and concentrate on playing the better pass. Is Wilshere out for this? A trio of Gerrard, Wilshere and Lallana could easily work letting Lallana play a bit more advanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 We all know Lallana will be put on the left wing and told to stay there. Thus nullifying his best attribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 17, 2014 Share Posted April 17, 2014 We all know Lallana will be put on the left wing and told to stay there. Thus nullifying his best attribute. You seem like a a good lad but this sounds like a load of crap relayed from something you heard on the bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Can't understand anyone posting a team without Barkley in it tbh. Madness. Think you are over hyping Barkley a bit yes he has played very well this season and scored some good goals but he's still very young making the cross decision and giving away the ball cheaply. Give him a few more seasons and he has the potential to be an England starter but for this World Cup i think its a bit too early. Couldn't disagree more, he has the look of a big game player to me. Also the finished article? I've been watching England groom 'finished articles' for more than 25 years and it's never done us any good whatsoever. If the alternative was much better than Henderson then yeah, but it's not. Henderson will get laughed off the pitch at a world cup man, if they even bother to consider he's there. Where would you fit him in the first 11? Rooney is already occupying his best position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 We all know Lallana will be put on the left wing and told to stay there. Thus nullifying his best attribute. You seem like a a good lad but this sounds like a load of crap relayed from something you heard on the bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 We all know Lallana will be put on the left wing and told to stay there. Thus nullifying his best attribute. You seem like a a good lad but this sounds like a load of crap relayed from something you heard on the bus. TBF there's a lot of parallels between being a Newcastle fan and being an England fan, one tends to compound the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Rooney's got to play but it'd be canny if he refrained from shooting every time he had the ball 20/25 yards out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 We all know Lallana will be put on the left wing and told to stay there. Thus nullifying his best attribute. You seem like a a good lad but this sounds like a load of crap relayed from something you heard on the bus. TBF there's a lot of parallels between being a Newcastle fan and being an England fan, one tends to compound the other. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 Can't understand anyone posting a team without Barkley in it tbh. Madness. Think you are over hyping Barkley a bit yes he has played very well this season and scored some good goals but he's still very young making the cross decision and giving away the ball cheaply. Give him a few more seasons and he has the potential to be an England starter but for this World Cup i think its a bit too early. Couldn't disagree more, he has the look of a big game player to me. Also the finished article? I've been watching England groom 'finished articles' for more than 25 years and it's never done us any good whatsoever. If the alternative was much better than Henderson then yeah, but it's not. Henderson will get laughed off the pitch at a world cup man, if they even bother to consider he's there. Where would you fit him in the first 11? Rooney is already occupying his best position Same as Kanji posted with him instead of Henderson. I'd have the same front three as well, tell them to interchange who takes the wide forward spots and rotate between Sterling and Rooney for the '10'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted April 19, 2014 Share Posted April 19, 2014 I'd feel a bit nervy with Henderson in the side but there is some merit to the argument of playing as many Liverpool players as we can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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