Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 You can see how scared the Eng players are without a Modric or a Silva or a Mata pulling the strings and building an attack for them. They don't really understand sequencing or rotating and interchanging into a better position. This was an average Italian side but the football intelligence was like that of Einstein plaing a brickie at chess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The f*** happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. We let Pirlo do his thing. Basically, we had no-one on him at all in the second half and as a result, he was able to do what he's good at - influencing play. When we were off the ball in the first half, we certainly had a fair few players tracking Pirlo but as the game went on, the players forgot those instructions... That describes their play yeah, but doesnt explain our complete lack of possession when we had it suddenly. We just seem to lose our bottle in general when hard pressed, resulting in long balls & clearances to no one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 You can see how scared the Eng players are without a Modric or a Silva or a Mata pulling the strings and building an attack for them. They don't really understand sequencing or rotating and interchanging into a better position. This was an average Italian side but the football intelligence was like that of Einstein plaing a brickie at chess. The class and intelligence in midfield really shone through for me, not just with Pirlo but the others too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The f*** happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. We let Pirlo do his thing. Basically, we had no-one on him at all in the second half and as a result, he was able to do what he's good at - influencing play. When we were off the ball in the first half, we certainly had a fair few players tracking Pirlo but as the game went on, the players forgot those instructions... That describes their play yeah, but doesnt explain our complete lack of possession when we had it suddenly. We just seem to lose our bottle in general when hard pressed, resulting in long balls & clearances to no one. It's called lack of technique Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Right which we miraculously had for a 15 minute period as i said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Right which we miraculously had for a 15 minute period as i said. We didn't. The italians started off both half's slowly. Soon as they found a rhythm they contained us fairly easily despite being fairly average themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? Evanessence wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Pretty simple really. Asking these players to keep the ball is retarded. If it's not something you do every single week then as soon as something goes wrong then the tendency is to change. Obviously having technical players help, but even if you did it every week you'd see a big improvement. Look at Swansea, it's not as if they have players with incredible technical all the way through the team, but if you get them doing it in training everyday and in matches even when you're losing then it will become natural. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? Evanessence wasn't it? Alternative version of In The End by Linkin Park Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. This. I would if the FA wasn't run by idiots and the team full of cunts. Never happen though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? It was a cover of 'In The End' by Linkin Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The only option for Eng in the near future is to play two proper wingers (who beat people and cross) and two holding midfielders. It's something that they understand and will garner goals. I'd have started Carroll, Walcott and OX today and just told Gerrard to hit them (the wingers) early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Colossus Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? It was a cover of 'In The End' by Linkin Park. Right, now I'm pissed off that we went out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Did Welbeck actually do anything than walk around watching the back 8 defend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The other thing I hate is apart from the lack of composure and technique in terms of keeping the ball, but the total lack of flair players we produce. The closest we have to flair players are some of the wide players but most are just predictable speed merchants. Massively disappointed with Young in this tournament, has looked absolutely abysmal at international level. There's tiny nations like Eastern European countries that manage to produce skillful, technical players. Even if they don't have the depth or quality we do they at least produce the odd footballer you'd PAY to watch. Our players are just so fucking dull man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). England has generally underperformed at football tournaments, even when we had virtually no foreign players over here, good excuse though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Did Welbeck actually do anything than walk around watching the back 8 defend. Aye he deftly chipped the bar when clean through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The other thing I hate is apart from the lack of composure and technique in terms of keeping the ball, but the total lack of flair players we produce. The closest we have to flair players are some of the wide players but most are just predictable speed merchants. Massively disappointed with Young in this tournament, has looked absolutely abysmal at international level. There's tiny nations like Eastern European countries that manage to produce skillful, technical players. Even if they don't have the depth or quality we do they at least produce the odd footballer you'd PAY to watch. Our players are just so fucking dull man. We like to coach it out of them for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The other thing I hate is apart from the lack of composure and technique in terms of keeping the ball, but the total lack of flair players we produce. The closest we have to flair players are some of the wide players but most are just predictable speed merchants. Massively disappointed with Young in this tournament, has looked absolutely abysmal at international level. There's tiny nations like Eastern European countries that manage to produce skillful, technical players. Even if they don't have the depth or quality we do they at least produce the odd footballer you'd PAY to watch. Our players are just so fucking dull man. We like to coach it out of them for some reason. Flair players = lazy players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Thing Hodgson and England made the most of an extremely messy buildup to the tournament. Whatever people say about Lampard, and a lot of bollocks has been said down the years by tabloid journos, he's a massive danger in the right areas, he can play people in and his presence was missed. Gerrard did his best but we needed someone else in midfield, a cool head capable of a defence splitting pass, switching the play quickly or striking from distance and Lampard ticks those boxes. Parker is a pretty limited player but he does what he's told and gives his all. It typified England's performance here and throughout the tournament - disciplined but lacking skill or flair. Hodgson will come out of it with credit and he deserves to. Looking at the England squad we had to play the way we did, we're in a period of transition with a weaker generation of players than the previous one and injuries throughout the team. We were a penalty shootout away from the semis. I think the Germans have been overhyped this time around and struggled against Portugal but they will have a major advantage with 2 days' extra rest, not to mention the extra time the Italians played. Credit to Italy, the better team went through. At least England leave with their heads held high and have something to build upon for 2014. By then, new players will come through and we should be able to attack it with a stronger squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). England has generally underperformed at football tournaments, even when we had virtually no foreign players over here, good excuse though. There's no excuses left. The money is there, youth facilities etc. It's down to how kids play football when they start the game and develop for the 3-5 years after that. That is the only way we'll sort it out, also I think the government needs to do something to get P.E. to be a bigger Hartley of education not just for sports but for fitness, health etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Off topic, what song did BBC play at the end? Oh look, a sedate version of a famous tune, with a breathy female vocal - you never ever hear those... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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