NG32 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Only caught 10 minutes of it, but Rooney was dropping deep and the commentators were saying Capello was going nuts, telling him to get further forward. Crouch is the one who should be dropping deep really. Why would you have Crouch dropping deep? He has a good touch etc but its not like ihe s a bll player/play maker or can create play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 A dreadful performance - too many players failed to actually turn up for the match. However, how the linesman has failed to spot that handball? It doesn't deflect away from the shitness of the team on the night, but sometimes shit matches are decided by those sort of incidents, and England we're denied again by a referee and his assistants that failed to enforce the laws of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Capello after 3 years in England still can't speak English properly. The guy simply isn't suited for the English game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Capello after 3 years in England still can't speak English properly. The guy simply isn't suited for the English game. Nor can his captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Only caught 10 minutes of it, but Rooney was dropping deep and the commentators were saying Capello was going nuts, telling him to get further forward. Crouch is the one who should be dropping deep really. it doesn't matter who drops deep if no-one else moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Aye, you drop deep to find space between the defence and midfield, but its pointless doing that against a team that packs 10 people to defend the 30 yards in front of the 18 yard box. I can see a lot of teams trying that against England now, as its worked nearly every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Only caught 10 minutes of it, but Rooney was dropping deep and the commentators were saying Capello was going nuts, telling him to get further forward. Crouch is the one who should be dropping deep really. Why would you have Crouch dropping deep? He has a good touch etc but its not like ihe s a bll player/play maker or can create play. He links up very well between midfield and attack. With him being the furthest forward, the temptation for our defenders to launch it to him is higher, too, and he's pretty average in the air. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 TBF, everyone finds it difficult to break down 10 men behind the ball... there's no easy answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Only caught 10 minutes of it, but Rooney was dropping deep and the commentators were saying Capello was going nuts, telling him to get further forward. Crouch is the one who should be dropping deep really. Why would you have Crouch dropping deep? He has a good touch etc but its not like ihe s a bll player/play maker or can create play. He links up very well between midfield and attack. With him being the furthest forward, the temptation for our defenders to launch it to him is higher, too, and he's pretty average in the air. Waste of a position if you have him dropping deep for me. Anyway, the whole england thing is bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 TBF, everyone finds it difficult to break down 10 men behind the ball... there's no easy answer. Put Laurent Robert in your team and let him ping in crosses or ridiculously accurate long range shots/free kicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Also, with Crouch playing we need to have wingers on the correct sides so that they can get to the byline and get crosses in. Cutting inside is way overrated in the modern game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Also, with Crouch playing we need to have wingers on the correct sides so that they can get to the byline and get crosses in. Cutting inside is way overrated in the modern game. We didn't get many early crosses in because of the wingers having to switch feet, and that became quite a problem because we didn't create much down the middle. The crosses were easily read and picked off. As another factor in this, I don't think Glen Johnson has been the same player since the World Cup. He's actually very good going forward, but his confidence seems very brittle at the moment and he's not creating much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Aye, you drop deep to find space between the defence and midfield, but its pointless doing that against a team that packs 10 people to defend the 30 yards in front of the 18 yard box. I can see a lot of teams trying that against England now, as its worked nearly every time. due to the lack of movement throughout the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 England were woeful last night, felt they lacked communication with each other. The only times they opened their mouths were who was to take a freekick and Rooney mouthing off at the ref on numerous occasions. Gerrard was very quiet, yes he's not captain, but as the leader in midfield he still needs to be vocal in his support. The captain mess Capello has brought on himself is getting to boiling point. Weak as piss with his Terry decision and from the start been Capello's England downfall. In a 442 there really is no need for Barry, in fact Barry is fast becoming a really shit England player, while the continuing of playing Rooney at every opportunity shows the incompetence of Capello and lack of depth upfront for England. You can't play a striker that far off form, at one point him and Davies were on the pitch and at club level they had 3 goals, sure 2 of them were from pens. England must bite the bullet and sack Capello, he's never going to win anything, he doesn't have it in him to do well at this level at his age. Bring in an attacking NT manager who goes all out and let him build the squad with young attacking talent, we might lose more games but fuk me at least it will be interesting to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6442730,00.html Carrolls chance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Yesterday was crying out to give Wilshere a game in the centre. The kid is streets ahead of Barry in terms of passing, vision, technique etc already. I don't really see what harm it would have done, Barry is just a slow waste of a position who is only going to get worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Capello was doing very well right up until the World Cup finals, and apart from last night, the performances haven't been that bad since. I think he made mistakes during the World Cup, in that the boot-camp atmosphere didn't suit the players. However, there were other things - principally Rooney's loss of form - that were beyond his control. Either way, he should be given the chance to learn from those experiences and have a crack at another tournament. I've seen so many England managers struggle over the years, despite their good records at club level. Our only successful one, Ramsey, had the advantage of playing at home during a World Cup. It's a difficult job for all sorts of reasons, and changing things now just feels like panic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 The problem is his so-called 'new' England. We failed at the World Cup - you're supposed to go forward and change things. Ferdinand, Gerrard, Barry, Rooney, Crouch, Cole, Johnson - it's practically the same team as last year - of course it's not going to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Capello was doing very well right up until the World Cup finals, and apart from last night, the performances haven't been that bad since. But don't we basically say that every 2 years? England (generally) plough through everyone in qualifying, and get hyped to the hilt, before the crashing realisation that we aren't really going to do that well. Yes, I'd consider a lot of it mental, and no, I've got no idea of a solution apart from hope a manager can finally get this complacency out of them (which is what I think the mental issue is). I've just kind of got bored of the same routine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Capello was doing very well right up until the World Cup finals, and apart from last night, the performances haven't been that bad since. But don't we basically say that every 2 years? England (generally) plough through everyone in qualifying, and get hyped to the hilt, before the crashing realisation that we aren't really going to do that well. Yes, I'd consider a lot of it mental, and no, I've got no idea of a solution apart from hope a manager can finally get this complacency out of them (which is what I think the mental issue is). I've just kind of got bored of the same routine. 1996, 1998, 2004 and 2006. In those tournaments we did well and only pens put us out. Don't think it's fair to apply the hype and fail of 2008 and 2010 to those previous efforts. cross 96 off that list, we didn't play well at all till the semi final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 We were awful in '06 aswell, ditched out limply by the first half decent side we faced. Infact, I think we were much better in 2002 than we were in 2006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 We were awful in '06 aswell, ditched out limply by the first half decent side we faced. Infact, I think we were much better in 2002 than we were in 2006. ditched out limply? we had 10 men and lost on pens, so perhaps we could have done better but it wasn't a 4 - 1 raping like Germany gave us. No Owen either through that awful injury he picked up previous game. Yeah but we played like shit throughout that tournament. Own goal to beat Paraguay, fouled our way past TnT, failed to beat Sweden and then just about edged past Ecuador through a set-piece. Anybody could see an exit was on the cards against Portugal, yeah we did well to battle to a shoot-out in the circumstances but in honesty the 'honourable' failure just seemed to sum up a dreadful tournament allround. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 We only conceded in 1 game out of 5. Had Rooney not been a c***, we could easily have made the final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 08? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Owen was never going to contribute owt. Neither was Defoe, at that age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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