Disco Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Just read this McKay said: "I must say that, to be fair to Newcastle and the current Board, they stuck by Joey. I think he repaid them last season - I think he had a great season. But they stuck by him, there's no doubt about that, Derek Llambias especially." Doesn't really sound like they have fallen out, more just a contract disagreement, this isn't the last we will hear of it thats for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Next season if he gives us as good season as this one it will be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Swap deal with Villa for Ireland perhaps? Ugh. Would be a terrible deal. Why? Barton is a way safer card. At times outstanding for us this season. Ireland on the other hand - injury prone and unstabile as fuck. Since Barton's been here he's managed 79 league games in 4 years, spent time in jail and admitted being an alcoholic. Stephen Ireland lied about his gran dying and has suffered with injuries in the later part of this season, he's also 4 years younger. How is Barton the safer card? Barton has stopped drinking so he won't end up in jail again and isn't an alcoholic anymore. He's been very unlucky with his injuries as well. It wasn't a case of missing many games because of 'Michael Owen hamstrings'. He went to prison because he was an idiot, not because he was an alcoholic. You can make the excuse about unlucky with injuries but the fact is his availability for us since he's been here has been awful. His availability was/is down to being injured (mostly) and those injuries were down to bad luck (mostly). His time in prision was down to being an idiot, correct, while being an idiot was down to being on the drink too much. You can say that about every single player that gets injured though. I just want to know how Barton is a more safe option compared to Ireland who is more injury prone and less stable apparently. No you can't. Players like Dyer, Owen, Viduka, Luque or even Shola - they are injury prone. Barton just had broken his foot a few times which isn't down to being injury prone but what is down to bad luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Man, you could think he's gone already: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-13547483 The 3rd picture is comic with the lads in the backgroud Isn't the last pic Raylor? That's what I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Wouldn't break my heart to see him go, and don't blame the club if they refuse to budge over excessive demands. He's had a couple of decent years out of four. If he secures a bumper contract, what's to say he doesn't start phoning in the performances again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 A decent spell under KK when even Butt and Geremi looked good alongside him and a very good season this time. Not worthy of 4 years imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 "I had a meeting with Newcastle managing director Derek Llambias and club secretary Lee Charnley and they have indicated Joey will not be offered a new contract. "Joey will continue to be a Newcastle player next season and then he will leave on a free transfer at the end of his contract. "Joey would have loved to have extended his stay at Newcastle, but unfortunately it is not to be. "Joey has loved his time at Newcastle and nothing will change his commitment for the club next season. "Obviously we will be monitoring the situation next January to try and find a new club for Joey as he can speak to clubs from abroad in January." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Swap deal with Villa for Ireland perhaps? Ugh. Would be a terrible deal. Why? Barton is a way safer card. At times outstanding for us this season. Ireland on the other hand - injury prone and unstabile as fuck. Since Barton's been here he's managed 79 league games in 4 years, spent time in jail and admitted being an alcoholic. Stephen Ireland lied about his gran dying and has suffered with injuries in the later part of this season, he's also 4 years younger. How is Barton the safer card? Barton has stopped drinking so he won't end up in jail again and isn't an alcoholic anymore. He's been very unlucky with his injuries as well. It wasn't a case of missing many games because of 'Michael Owen hamstrings'. He went to prison because he was an idiot, not because he was an alcoholic. You can make the excuse about unlucky with injuries but the fact is his availability for us since he's been here has been awful. His availability was/is down to being injured (mostly) and those injuries were down to bad luck (mostly). His time in prision was down to being an idiot, correct, while being an idiot was down to being on the drink too much. You can say that about every single player that gets injured though. I just want to know how Barton is a more safe option compared to Ireland who is more injury prone and less stable apparently. No you can't. Players like Dyer, Owen, Viduka, Luque or even Shola - they are injury prone. Barton just had broken his foot a few times which isn't down to being injury prone but what is down to bad luck. He broke bones in his feet on 3 separate occasions in 3 seasons running, if that's not injury prone I don't know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 McKay (Barton's agent) on BBC Newcastle. “Only way Joey will stay at #Nufc (beyond present contract), I think, is if there are new owners." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 People say it's easy for players to play past 32 if the technique is there. In theory that's okay but it's amazing what percentage of players go really shit once they hit that stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. Very generous of you... Off the top of my head Lampard, Drogba, Anelka, Carvalho (albeit now moved), Rio Ferdinand, Kevin Davies, Vieira all cut it at the top level. Peter Beardsley, Alan Shearer, Nobby Solano too if you want some examples from us. As Sewelly says age isn't a factor if the technique is still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Barton even at the very peak of his powers isn't in the same class as those you've named. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Barton even at the very peak of his powers isn't in the same class as those you've named. That wasn't discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Fowler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. Very generous of you... Off the top of my head Lampard, Drogba, Anelka, Carvalho (albeit now moved), Rio Ferdinand, Kevin Davies, Vieira all cut it at the top level. So "aren't many" is still pretty accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 For example we've had a lot of players with good technique (better than Barton's) who've turned out to be total shite once they hit the 30s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Fowler? Came back to Liverpool at some stage and did well iirc. Strike him of the list if you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 For example we've had a lot of players with good technique (better than Barton's) who've turned out to be total shite once they hit the 30s. Bartons current game doesn't rely on his physical attributes though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As I understand it, the reduced wage, 2 year contract would come into effect after his current contract ends in Summer 2012 so effectively he would have 3 years from the end of this season. He's 28 now (29 in September) so the new contract will end when he's 31 (3 months off 32). I wouldn't offer him a longer contract than that. I stand by what I said above in February. If he really is demanding a 4 year contract then sell him in the Summer. There aren't many players over 32 who can still cut it at Premiership level. Absolute bollocks that like. Good of you to back that up. Lets have a list (which does not include goalkeepers) of players over 32 who are still playing well for their teams. I'll start you off with Ryan Giggs. I'll also add some players who have done well for their clubs at that age but have retired by now. Shearer, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Roy Keane, Zidane, Figo, Lucio, Zanetti, Milito, Deco, Drogba, Anelka, Beckham, Bergkamp, Tony Adams, Lizerazu, Sol Campbell, Robbie Fowler, Viera List of players that were just on top of my head btw. Well half those players weren't in the Premiership for a start. Premiership games are played at a much faster pace than the Italian and Spanish leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 So it seems as though its the 4 years that are preventing this from happening. Id imagine this would be resolved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 For example we've had a lot of players with good technique (better than Barton's) who've turned out to be total shite once they hit the 30s. Bartons current game doesn't rely on his physical attributes though. Still not convinced. I still wake up in cold sweats with the recent memories of Geremi and Nicky Butt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Anyone fancy describing what Barton's current game is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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