midds Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 On 12/05/2016 at 22:24, Ronaldo said: Shearer's exactly right with that but I find it a tad rich he keeps going on about how long it took to sack McClaren. Even after the Bournemouth game he refused to advocate a managerial change on MOTD. It was left to Martin fucking Keown to say it for him. Yep, he's perfectly correct in all he says but why wasn't he suggesting a change in manager in November/December? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Quote I am sure Sam Allardyce will have had a little smile to himself that this has turned out how it has. It is incredible when you think that Newcastle have now gone down twice since they sacked him in 2008. I know Sam and he has done a fantastic job at Sunderland. Go fuck yourself Alan, once and for all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Mostly correct accept that Allardyce is fucking awful and nobody (including Shearer) was calling for McClaren to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 On 12/05/2016 at 22:51, Ian W said: Mostly correct accept that Allardyce is f***ing awful and nobody (including Shearer) was calling for McClaren to go. Us silly, deluded geordies seeing through a manager when nobody in the media could until it was far too late. I am gobsmacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 Just for anyone, journos mainly, pushing the "ironic that it was sacked former manager Sam Allardyce" line, it was a textbook "on the beach" performance from Allardyce's West Ham that confirmed our safety last season under the lip licker. Since Hull couldn't win their last game, it didn't matter at full time, but there were plenty of people bricking it when the game kicked off. One of them being Carver himself, I would imagine. One season after Allardyce left, West Ham have been challenging for Champions League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 The fight and scrap argument really is lazy PFM bullshit: Put to one side and ignore any actual footballing ability you may have, and just get out there and fight. What does "fight" even mean nowadays in football? It's the sort of mentality that has seen us take the field and get thrashed left right and centre by any team who fancied passing the ball. Including our local rivals. The irony being that when fight and scrap was meant to be a focal point (like most of Pardew's lineups), the players had very little fight in them. When we ended up run away winners of the Championship in 2010 we certainly didn't do it by fighting and scrapping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 12/05/2016 at 23:49, Bimpy474 said: 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 12/05/2016 at 23:49, Bimpy474 said: 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. This^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 07:11, Troll said: Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will fucking eat Mitrovic alive, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I do wonder about Mitrovic in the championship. it's not like they have smaller defenders in the lower leagues, you'll need more than just strength to succeed in that division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 16:16, Ronaldo said: Quote Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will fucking eat Mitrovic alive, for example. yep totally agree the people who say Mitrovic will be a beast in the championship need to give their head a shake. The clogger centre half will eat him up for breakfast look at the championships top strikers recently Deeney, ings,Vokes,Rhodes,Austin,Vardy, Wilson,Oghalo, Gray all of these absolutely streets ahead of mitrovic he will struggle like fuck in the division imo need to get rid of him asap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 16:21, geordiedean said: Quote Quote Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will f***ing eat Mitrovic alive, for example. yep totally agree the people who say Mitrovic will be a beast in the championship need to give their head a shake. The clogger centre half will eat him up for breakfast look at the championships top strikers recently Deeney, ings,Vokes,Rhodes,Austin,Vardy, Wilson,Oghalo, Gray all of these absolutely streets ahead of mitrovic he will struggle like f*** in the division imo need to get rid of him asap I don't agree at all, I think hed be quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 16:25, Elliottman said: Quote Quote Quote Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will f***ing eat Mitrovic alive, for example. yep totally agree the people who say Mitrovic will be a beast in the championship need to give their head a shake. The clogger centre half will eat him up for breakfast look at the championships top strikers recently Deeney, ings,Vokes,Rhodes,Austin,Vardy, Wilson,Oghalo, Gray all of these absolutely streets ahead of mitrovic he will struggle like f*** in the division imo need to get rid of him asap I don't agree at all, I think hed be quality. what brings you to this conclusion? How promising he has been this season or his skilful attributes the guy has fuck all to be positive about him. not many would be confident in him getting 20 plus goals as thats what he will need to get in the championship for us to stand a chance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Shearer's favourite manager is Kenny Dalglish. He was instrumental in his appointment. He likes percentage-playing, attritional managers - and Sam Allardyce is right up his street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 16:29, geordiedean said: Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will f***ing eat Mitrovic alive, for example. yep totally agree the people who say Mitrovic will be a beast in the championship need to give their head a shake. The clogger centre half will eat him up for breakfast look at the championships top strikers recently Deeney, ings,Vokes,Rhodes,Austin,Vardy, Wilson,Oghalo, Gray all of these absolutely streets ahead of mitrovic he will struggle like f*** in the division imo need to get rid of him asap I don't agree at all, I think hed be quality. what brings you to this conclusion? How promising he has been this season or his skilful attributes the guy has f*** all to be positive about him. not many would be confident in him getting 20 plus goals as thats what he will need to get in the championship for us to stand a chance He's had plenty of good games this season and has proved a handful. He'll hopefully be playing under a better manager, better team and against weaker opposition. Can easily see him getting 15+ next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 16:21, geordiedean said: Quote Quote Quote 'The one thing you have to do in the Championship is to fight and scrap' I'm sorry but that bit is just plain wrong, it's lazy often said nonsense, the Championship isn't like that anymore. Virtually none of the teams up the top 'fight and scrap'. They're organised and most play decent football on the floor. Look at the three that came up last season, Bournemouth (outplayed us twice), Watford (the same) and Norwich (certainly no scrapers). Play good attacking football and be good defensively, two things Rafa will get us doing and we'll get out of that league impressively imo. The one thing you need in the Championship is a little bit of quality, the standard's generally crap. Our current squad of bottlers would walk it. I think if you look at the teams we put out in promotion season - especially the first half of it -you'll agree that we basically had a team (with exceptions) of grafters with hints of quality. In attack, especially, you won't get anywhere unless the quality is compounded with experience and a pair of bollocks. It's not like the Premier League. Defenders in the football league will f***ing eat Mitrovic alive, for example. yep totally agree the people who say Mitrovic will be a beast in the championship need to give their head a shake. The clogger centre half will eat him up for breakfast look at the championships top strikers recently Deeney, ings,Vokes,Rhodes,Austin,Vardy, Wilson,Oghalo, Gray all of these absolutely streets ahead of mitrovic he will struggle like f*** in the division imo need to get rid of him asap How many goals have Vokes, Gray, Wilson and Rhodes scored in the Premier League like? Mitro, for all his faults, has got 8 in a shite team and hasn't started every game this season, being benched for McClaren's first couple of games and obviously for much of Rafa's recent spell. He's also only 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 we will see, i would put money on that he won't be in the top 6 goalscorer in the league next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The defenders in the Championship might be "bigger and stronger" but they are also shitter than the defenders in the Premier League, which is why they play in a lower league. Mitro barely played consecutive games all season, he was in and out of the team constantly and still managed to end up with 8 goals. Also playing for one of the worst teams in the division. Yes he missed chances but Vardy, Kane and Aguero all missed chances this season. His conversion rate is actually quite good. If he is our main striker next season and we're at the top of the Championship, he'll be one of (if not the) top goal scorer in the Championship next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 So if Mitrovic is our main striker and we're top of the league you predict he'll be one of the top scorers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Canny bold like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 The hatred towards Mitro is a bit too much like. Guy scored 8 goals despite not starting evey game in a new league and in a s**** team. He'll score three times that if he's here and we have a decent manager next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 17:35, Ronaldo said: So if Mitrovic is our main striker and we're top of the league you predict he'll be one of the top scorers? "At the top" is what I said meaning anywhere from 1st - 6th imo he'll be top scorer, or very close. Don't see what is daft by that statement. Everyone who is claiming that he is shit seem to think he's incapable of scoring, so if he was our main striker and we were at the top he'd still be shit and not scoring, no? People have written this bloke off for no reason at all and a lot of people on here love to be dramatic and see everything and everyone negatively. He's a much better player than people give him credit for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 On 13/05/2016 at 17:45, Figures 1-0 Football said: Quote So if Mitrovic is our main striker and we're top of the league you predict he'll be one of the top scorers? "At the top" is what I said meaning anywhere from 1st - 6th imo he'll be top scorer, or very close. Don't see what is daft by that statement. Everyone who is claiming that he is shit seem to think he's incapable of scoring, so if he was our main striker and we were at the top he'd still be shit and not scoring, no? People have written this bloke off for no reason at all and a lot of people on here love to be dramatic and see everything and everyone negatively. He's a much better player than people give him credit for. No he's not I've said it many times he has nothing to his game that will ever make him a decent striker 1. He can't jump or head a ball with conviction 2. He is as slow as a week in the jail 3. He can't shoot and panics like fuck everytime he gets in the box 4. He can't read the game at all 5. he never gets into positions where he'd be dangerous or look like scoring 6. He has no composure infront of goal All the idiots on here saying ah but its because he's 21 and in a new league is absolute bullshit and an excuse. Both man city and man united have 3 young lads between them upfront who are younger and never played in that league before yet they can do it simply because they have what is required to be a top level striker mitrovic simply doesn't have it and never will if you're good enough you're age is irrelevant saying that though he may find his level at the championship a bit like lovenkrands and ned kelly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Make your mind up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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