OverThere Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 What's the point of replacing the champions league with another version of the same? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, OverThere said: What's the point of replacing the champions league with another version of the same? From the viewpoint of Barca, Real etc (plus, let's be honest here, if it wasn't for the fans backlash, the English clubs too) it'd be like a Champions League where they are pretty much guaranteed to be a part of even if they have a shit season domestically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: From the viewpoint of Barca, Real etc (plus, let's be honest here, if it wasn't for the fans backlash, the English clubs too) it'd be like a Champions League where they are pretty much guaranteed to be a part of even if they have a shit season domestically. That's exactly it, they have a sense of entitlement, they think it's disgraceful if they struggle in a domestic season that they get to miss out on the Champions League It all boils down to wanting as much money as possible and for it to be guaranteed The initial idea was awful, they clearly didn't anticipate the backlash, and without the Premier League clubs it had next to no chance of getting anywhere The biggest call out was the removal of jeopardy and lack of meritocracy, so this time they think having 2 relegation spots from 16 is some sort of solution, all they did was present the same pig from 2 years ago and only put lipstick on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 It's still a bit shit but UEFA is the better of two evils There's still the dream that you can go from non-league to play in the Champions League. There's still that jeopardy that an "elite" club could miss out on the CL (even if it's slim). I'd sooner the masses work with UEFA to tweak their competitions than see a breakaway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 I get the feeling the middle east would be all over it, wouldn't surprise me one bit if some change to become a world super league was thought up next, the rumours mill not so long ago was the Saudis were desperate to get some of their league clubs in the champions league. The Aramco world super league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 I’m no lawyer (do we have any legal bods on here that can chime in) but doesn’t this judgement basically kill FFP as well under the same anti competition rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 54 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: I get the feeling the middle east would be all over it, wouldn't surprise me one bit if some change to become a world super league was thought up next, the rumours mill not so long ago was the Saudis were desperate to get some of their league clubs in the champions league. The Aramco world super league. The Qataris at PSG were vocally against it from day one. Man City’s Abu Dhabi owners were completely lukewarm and the first to pull out. UEFA are a FIFA Confed, and KSA is after the 2034 WC. It would be the stupidest move imaginable. ’Sportswashing’ doesn’t work at all if it pisses off the people and govts of the places were you’re buying clubs. The govts of the ME who are buying football clubs aren’t doing it to run afoul of UK govt opinion - which they would with this nonsense. It’s the American hedge fund cunts and those running European giants who can’t keep up with the PL who are the biggest backers of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I’m no lawyer (do we have any legal bods on here that can chime in) but doesn’t this judgement basically kill FFP as well under the same anti competition rules? It potentially does for UEFA comps and EU member states. The UK isn’t subject to the ruling. edit: it doesn’t affect the PL’s FFP rules Edited December 23, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It potentially does for UEFA comps and EU member states. The UK isn’t subject to the ruling. That’s true but we have our own competition rules on the books as well. I hate FFP but it would be blowing the rules up would well and truly open Pandora’s box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That’s true but we have our own competition rules on the books as well. I hate FFP but it would be blowing the rules up would well and truly open Pandora’s box. We do, but the UK govt immediately came out talking about amending them so the UK football are protected from a potential cash grab breakaway. edit: I agree re FFP and the danger of a free-for-all Edited December 23, 2023 by TheBrownBottle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: We do, but the UK govt immediately came out talking about amending them so the UK football are protected from a potential cash grab breakaway. Oh yeah for sure, I’m more thinking about FFP implications than I am breakaways. I think a split is basically a death kneel for the sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Just now, r0cafella said: Oh yeah for sure, I’m more thinking about FFP implications than I am breakaways. I think a split is basically a death kneel for the sport. Yeah, understood and agreed. FFP isn’t wrong in principle for me - the way it’s been implemented is designed to pull the ladder up. I don’t want to see rich owners come in and destroy the transfer market like Chelsea and Man City did - but at the same time, the current rules simply keep those clubs at the top table. There is a balance to be found somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) I don't believe the reason for the super league judgement makes any affect for FFP as your still bound by the rules you sign up for being in their leagues etc. This super league ruling was about whether these clubs had the access to move or setup a new competition or leave uefa entirely. Edited December 23, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: I don't believe the reason for the super league judgement makes any affect for FFP as your still bound by the rules you sign up for being in their leagues etc. This super league ruling was about whether these clubs had the access to move or setup a new competition or leave uefa entirely. It was about whether UEFA had breached commercial law by stopping or threatening to punish the clubs breaking away - and it was ruled that they had; which is why FFP is likely on the same potential chopping block Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It was about whether UEFA had breached commercial law by stopping or threatening to punish the clubs breaking away - and it was ruled that they had; which is why FFP is likely on the same potential chopping block I'm not sure tbh but we'll see. Edited December 23, 2023 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: I'm not sure tbh but we'll see. I agree that the ruling isn’t on FFP, and there’s no guarantee on it being thrown out - besides, it would need to be challenged in the first instance. But the UEFA ruling was on a breach of commercial law - so it does potentially provide case law showing that UEFA could well be breaching commercial law Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 9 hours ago, r0cafella said: I’m no lawyer (do we have any legal bods on here that can chime in) but doesn’t this judgement basically kill FFP as well under the same anti competition rules? https://x.com/nickdemarco_/status/1735644167521341793?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Have a read of this from NDM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 I'm getting to the point where I wish there were only domestic leagues and nothing else. The whole FFP issue means as we have seen you can't be competitive in Europe and at home at the same time unless you are one of the clubs that increased revenue prior to the FFP rules. Sack the whole thing off and be done with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, OverThere said: I'm getting to the point where I wish there were only domestic leagues and nothing else. The whole FFP issue means as we have seen you can't be competitive in Europe and at home at the same time unless you are one of the clubs that increased revenue prior to the FFP rules. Sack the whole thing off and be done with it. The issues are that governing bodies, PL, FA,UEFA, and FIFA by introducing FFP and the PL introducing FMV are interfering in a clubs commercial activities and that is a breach of Competition Law. The sooner that it is sorted out legally or governing bodies scrapping FFP and FMV the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 All is going well in the Super League camp, Joan Laporta coming out with the following: Annnnd then: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) That Feyenoord one basically translates to them being surprised by reports in international media that the club has agreed to participate in the so-called Super League. Total nonsense. Going well again I see Edited February 2 by Miggys First Goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Almost like a final swan song from Laporta before they implode in eleventy billion quid of debt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 He's got to be one of the cheekiest cunts ever involved in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Perez and Laporta are so far up their own arse to realise it isn't going to happen the way they want it to Maybe if they weren't so greedy and shared the wealth they'd have a better league and therefore generate more money that way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 (edited) The new recruits to the proposed league are barely better than the league they're already in. Certainly not sufficiently better to justify ripping up the fabric. Playing would be also rans like Anderlecht, PSV and Brugge is not better than them playing Bilbao, Espanyol and Valencia. Edited February 2 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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