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Parky

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alpal78

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Sticking Jonas up front and dropping Carroll to play deeper was an excellent decision and took a lot of pressure off us in the end.

 

Didn’t realize that, I thought Carrol was just helping out the defence on his volition but if that was Hughton's instructions, then he deserves credit.

 

I still think however that his main weakness is his inability to use subs properly and at the right time. He prefers to let the team work things out for themselves which can sometimes backfire (though in this case it did not).

 

2 specific instances against Everton

 

1) In the second half when Everton was dictating the game and attacking us in waves around the 60-75 minutes, he should have done something. Ideally putting on a more defensive midfielder in place of a knackered Nolan would have been good to add more steel to the midfield but since our only other ‘defensive midfielder’ is Alan Smith, he should have still taken off Nolan and put in Jonas or Lovenkrads. At the very least their pace would have prevented Everton's defence from moving so high up to join their midfield/attack and ease the pressure on us. 

 

2) In the last few minutes of injury time, when we were again at risk of conceding, he should have wasted some valuable time by making a sub. Even the Jonas for HBA sub seems more like enforced coz HBA was already limping when the sub was made.

 

So he deserves credit for having the courage to start both HBA and Tiote but he has to use his subs more strategically. We won but on another day his inaction could have lost us 2 valuable points.

 

 

It's easy to be a manager playing what if.

 

1) If Hughton panics and subs off Nolan at the first sign of pressure from Everton (which didn't actually amount to any significant chances in that period),  then he's not on the field to get what should have been a pen to wrap the game up, and he's not there to deflect Yakubu's shot onto the post. Would Lovenkrands have been there for both those incidents and done better than Nolan otherwise? Possibly. Would Gutierrez? Not a chance.

 

2) Everton are attacking and we're under constant pressure. Sub comes on & trots into box, not had a kick, doesn't know who he's supposed to be picking up, loses his man or has an adrenaline fuelled rush of blood and gives away a pen. 1-1, Hughton's fault for trying to waste 10 seconds.

 

I actually agree with you, nobody knows the effect of substitutions for sure, it's all hypothetical. But I'd rather the manager try to do something when we are under the cosh then just rely on players to correct things themselves, even if by trying, things backfire if that makes sense. On the balance of things effective substitutions at the right time are more likely to bear fruit than backfire. Substitution takes courage and changing things around when things are not working is a hallmark of good managers. Moyes made two subs after 45 minutes to change things around, Mourinho would even sub a player off after 20-30 minutes if he was playing badly. Ditto with SAF, Wenger...etc, they use subs effectively.

 

Unfortunately this is an area that Hughton still has to work on imo. Against Blackpool he waited far too long to change things around and introduce HBA. Against Everton I would have liked to see him try something when we were under pressure and it was clear that Nolan was knackered. Sure the whole time wasting thing could have backfired but we've seen it being used so frequently that chances are it won't. We could have easily conceded two goals in the last 2-3 minutes (Yakubu against the post and Colo block on Feliani from what 4-5 yards) and were very lucky in that sense. Time wasting in all probability would have reduced at least one of those chances. You're right, if the last minute subs did backfire, some would blame him...I would have defended him though.

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Dokko

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Poor again tonight.

 

:lol:

 

Lucky to not have thrown it away, very.

 

 

 

We've just beaten Chelsea, man. Be happy with it!

 

I am, just worried that's all. I like him, I'm all for him, just his subs are starting to irk especially when 99% of the collective are thinking the same thing (about changing it, or not in his case) and he's not doing it.

 

 

 

 

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Cajun

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Jesus wept TT we just beat Chelsea at their fucking place. How the hell is that poor management? Ancelloti must be dog shit then because their starting 11 was much better than ours and they went 3-1 down. I usually avoid this place when we lose but if we are going to start slagging people off for doing something well :lol:

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awful change tiote for Taylor, he's getting bummed in the face as a full back... any idea why?

 

Hoping for the sake of hughton it was forced, because its dodgy as fuk otherwise.

 

 

 

Surely it was the fact R.Taylor was running the risk of a red-card given he had 30 minutes to go one a last warning?

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