The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Benwell Lad]

I'm sure when contract renewal time comes Hughton will get the deal he deserves.

I certainly hope so, because if we don't pin him down I don't think he'd be short of potential employers.

Right now priority has to be bringing in the right man to be his assistant.

[Minhosa]

I'm sure when contract renewal time comes Hughton will get the deal he deserves.

I certainly hope so, because if we don't pin him down I don't think he'd be short of potential employers.

Right now priority has to be bringing in the right man to be his assistant.

 

I'm glad you are.

[JH]

We always rush into everything (transfers, manager contracts etc.). I'm glad we're actually taking a more rational approach to it.

 

There's no doubting that Hughton's done a good job to get us here, but the fact is it all rests on what happens between now and May.

[Wullie]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

[jdckelly]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

is it really rational to just jump and hand out a deal when the jobs not done yet? good article on the guardian website about said topic

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/nov/05/chris-hughton-contract-newcastle

[Ryan_Taylor]

If we're not in the bottom 3 by Xmas, which we shouldn't be than he'll deserve his mew 2 or 3 year contract and the wage boost to go with it. The club will look justified in waiting, and all will be right with the world......or we'll let it drag on till the end of the season

[Guest Brazilianbob]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

 

I can see what you're saying Dave and understand the argument on both sides however surely the club should have recognised the achievement of last year which, in Hughtons case, was done on the cheap.

 

Also, if they're worried about committing to a premier league salary without any guarantees of survival, surely they could build in a relegation clause docking CH's wages by the same as the rise?

 

For me, it just seems MA is running the club in the same way he does Sports Direct, which has never had a consistent management team and has always been marred by Directors falling out with him.

 

I don't think Llambias has any say in the clubs direction other than making sure the pies are hot and the beer cold.

 

At the end of the day Chris Hughton signed a contract that runs until next summer and agreed the wages on offer to get the club promoted.  He fulfilled his part of the contract and the club fulfilled their part by paying him the agreed sums of money.  Now we are in the EPL it makes sense that he be given until the end of his contract to earn a better deal.  If he succeeds he will be well rewarded in Jan/next summer.  If he fails then the club do not have to honour a lengthy contract like Fat Sams mega deal of £6m, which could have been better spent on new players.

[Minhosa]

I know Chris has been disappointed that Newcastle didn't renew his contract when they got promotion this year.

 

It's standard form when a manager gets promoted that they renew his contract. I think it happened with West Brom and Blackpool when they got promoted. I'd say there was frustration for him.

 

I remain in two minds as to whether or not this I agree with the stance of the club on this issue. I can see both sides of the argument.

 

Hughton did a great job getting us promotion in some style in the end, but there wasn't much to say he (or the players at his disposal) would be good enough to compete in the Premier League. Certainly lots on here were expecting a major struggle and very possibly relegation again. In that case why commit to a new contract on Premier League wages? It makes sense to wait and see what happens.

 

The part which is up in the air is how Hughton and the players react to that uncertainty. It could easily have led to apathy in the squad and players not being picked causing turmoil etc. Luckily, to date it appears it's brought them together and they want to fight for each other and prove themselves worthy of new contracts etc. Long may it continue, but it's a risky policy.

 

I can see what you're saying Dave and understand the argument on both sides however surely the club should have recognised the achievement of last year which, in Hughtons case, was done on the cheap.

 

Also, if they're worried about committing to a premier league salary without any guarantees of survival, surely they could build in a relegation clause docking CH's wages by the same as the rise?

 

For me, it just seems MA is running the club in the same way he does Sports Direct, which has never had a consistent management team and has always been marred by Directors falling out with him.

 

I don't think Llambias has any say in the clubs direction other than making sure the pies are hot and the beer cold.

 

At the end of the day Chris Hughton signed a contract that runs until next summer and agreed the wages on offer to get the club promoted.  He fulfilled his part of the contract and the club fulfilled their part by paying him the agreed sums of money.  Now we are in the EPL it makes sense that he be given until the end of his contract to earn a better deal.  If he succeeds he will be well rewarded in Jan/next summer.  If he fails then the club do not have to honour a lengthy contract like Fat Sams mega deal of £6m, which could have been better spent on new players.

 

I can see both sides of the argument and I think, for the club, they're getting a lot of unfair press because we've had some decent results.

 

If we had of lost on Sunday questions would be getting asked about CH's ability and, no doubt, he will be questioned when we play poorly throughout the season.

 

My argument is more along the lines of.....................we are doing well, players seem very united, all going well for the first time in the Ashley reign and, for the sake of a low risk financial decision, we could further enhance the feel good factor around the place whilst not taking much of a punt.

 

The Ashley approach of not spending money if you don't have to seems to be winning this one - hopefully it doesn't come at a cost.

[Wullie]

Should we start doing that with players too then? Let their deal run out and offer them a new one in the June if we thought they were any good? I think we'd end up with no players left. Would Mourinho work under these conditions? At what point do we start treating Hughton like our real manager, which he is? We need him a lot more than he needs us right now imo.

[JH]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

[cubaricho]

According to someone who apparently had talked to Hughton the issue isn't being offered a new contract, the issue is not being offered enough money for the job he's doing. He's using the extra time to prove he's worth the money that he wants.  Supposedly the contract is already on the table but Wor Chris isn't happy with it.

[madras]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Is it really rational to let the manager's contract run out despite the fact he's doing a good job?

 

Roeder was doing a good job, and Shepherd rushed into giving him a contract - look how that panned out.

 

All I'm saying is, the club have been accused in the past of throwing money at things and rushing into decisions. As soon as they change the outlook, people complain that they're now taking too much thought. It's a lose-lose for them.

 

I think Christmas is a good indicator of whether he should be given a new contract or not. If he's still doing a good job by then, open negotiations.

 

 

 

[Cajun]

Problem is no-one of any worth will accept a one year contract is Hughton get's the boot then what happens if they fail? Will still result in a hefty pay off.

 

Not saying he should get a 5 year deal or anything but an 18 month extension wouldn't hurt.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

Problem is no-one of any worth will accept a one year contract is Hughton get's the boot then what happens if they fail? Will still result in a hefty pay off.

 

Not saying he should get a 5 year deal or anything but an 18 month extension wouldn't hurt.

 

If he deserves the new contract at Christmas, they should add 2 & 1/2 years onto it really, not just 18 months.  Can't be having the same shit every January. 

[Decky]

I think its a simple case of Ashley waiting to see how good Hughton is in the Premier League, i.e. if we are struggling mid way through the season its cheaper to sack him, if we are looking safe mid way through then extend his contract.

 

For what its worth, I would give him the contract now. We're 7 wins away from have more points than we did when we went down with 28 games left to play.

[JH]

Problem is no-one of any worth will accept a one year contract is Hughton get's the boot then what happens if they fail? Will still result in a hefty pay off.

 

Not saying he should get a 5 year deal or anything but an 18 month extension wouldn't hurt.

 

If he deserves the new contract at Christmas, they should add 2 & 1/2 years onto it really, not just 18 months.  Can't be having the same s*** every January. 

 

 

Just like sacking a manager at this point of the season is stupid, so is giving a manager a contract extension. At least by Christmas we'll have a good idea of where we're headed.

[Cajun]

Gonna win the league tbh.

[Guest Chris P]

Problem is no-one of any worth will accept a one year contract is Hughton get's the boot then what happens if they fail? Will still result in a hefty pay off.

 

Not saying he should get a 5 year deal or anything but an 18 month extension wouldn't hurt.

 

If he deserves the new contract at Christmas, they should add 2 & 1/2 years onto it really, not just 18 months.  Can't be having the same shit every January. 

 

[midds]

12 month rolling contract which doubles Hughton's wage will keep everyone happy.

 

I know it's been suggested before but it would definitely make sense for all parties

[JH]

12 month rolling contract which doubles Hughton's wage will keep everyone happy.

 

I originally read that as his wages doubling every 12 months

[Cajun]

 

If his wages doubled every 12 months he would probably be on something stupid like £40,000 a year in 4 years.

[Dave]

Just been on SSN picking up the performance of the week award.

 

 

He's like a black Midds.

[Guest Antec]

Hughton is Gustavo Fring from Breaking Bad. Fact

[womblemaster]

CH is an ave manager doing an ave job, dont see why people are so keen on him being reconfirmed as maanger.

 

As an apprentice manager he is maybe punching above his lvl atmo, but he will struggle to keep us up, unless the purse strings snap in jan.

 

Untill me beat a top 4 side, we are still relegation candidates.