The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Frazzle]

For the record, Blackpool was 2-0

 

And I forgot the 6-0 Villa score.

[Ronaldo]

If our results scream relegation, what do the results of all the teams with fewer points than us scream?

 

Another misrepresentation of what I said. I was referring to a selection of results, not all of them. A few of our results are very misleading.

 

Being objective about it, and to give an example; you know teams like Blackburn will climb and stay safe through picking up points at home against lower-tier clubs. They've done it for years.

 

Which results are miseading?  The 5-1 v Sunderland or 5 v 1 Bolton?  The 2-1 against Blackpool or 1-0 v Arsenal?  The 1-0 v Everton or 2-1 v Stoke?

 

Keep going and you'll eventually see an imbalance.

[Frazzle]

If our results scream relegation, what do the results of all the teams with fewer points than us scream?

 

Another misrepresentation of what I said. I was referring to a selection of results, not all of them. A few of our results are very misleading.

 

Being objective about it, and to give an example; you know teams like Blackburn will climb and stay safe through picking up points at home against lower-tier clubs. They've done it for years.

 

Which results are miseading?  The 5-1 v Sunderland or 5 v 1 Bolton?  The 2-1 against Blackpool or 1-0 v Arsenal?  The 1-0 v Everton or 2-1 v Stoke?

 

Keep going and you'll eventually see an imbalance.

 

6-0 v Villa or 2-1 v Blackburn?

 

The fact that we are top half shows the results so far are in our favour.

 

Like I said a while ago Hughton has set the bar too high.  I bet if we were 16th without the massive wins and having beaten Blackpool and Stoke everyone would be happy.  Then again, some people...

[Guest neesy111]

One problem is that we are not even drawing games from those against blackpool and stoke.

[Foluwashola]

Neesy vs Ronaldo arguments are painful. Regardless of who is right, we all lose.

 

They remind me of George and Lennie #ofmiceandmen

[colinmk]

One problem is that we are not even drawing games from those against blackpool and stoke.

 

I'm sure there are many teams saying that about Blackppol this season.

[JH]

Neesy vs Ronaldo arguments are painful. Regardless of who is right, we all lose.

 

They remind me of George and Lennie #ofmiceandmen

 

I love that book

[Guest neesy111]

Neesy vs Ronaldo arguments are painful. Regardless of who is right, we all lose.

 

They remind me of George and Lennie #ofmiceandmen

 

I love that book

 

Film isn't bad as well

[Guest firetotheworks]

Neesy vs Ronaldo arguments are painful. Regardless of who is right, we all lose.

 

They remind me of George and Lennie #ofmiceandmen

 

I love that book

 

Film isn't bad as well

 

'easy Neesy.'

[The Prophet]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the fucking record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

[colinmk]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the fucking record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

 

Nice one Prophet, this is what I wanted to say but lacked the effort or talent to do so! Spot on.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the fucking record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

 

Today was nothing at all to do with the manager? Fuck me.

[JH]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the fucking record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get fucking boring now.

[Kaizero]

HUGHTON OUT - PHIL BROWN IN

[The Prophet]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the f***ing record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

 

Today was nothing at all to do with the manager? f*** me.

 

Hughton didn't help himself but his hands were tied to an extent. Personally I'd of gone for Guthrie in the middle and Routledge out wide but other than that it was about as good as we could of hoped for. It was suicidal to play Smith, Nolan and Guthrie in the same side but he obviously feels Routledge isn't up to it.

[The Prophet]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the f***ing record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get f***ing boring now.

 

Perhaps you need to lower your expectations.

[JH]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the f***ing record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get f***ing boring now.

 

Perhaps you need to lower your expectations.

 

Aye, I forgot I expect us to win every game and get the Champions League

[The Prophet]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the f***ing record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get f***ing boring now.

 

Perhaps you need to lower your expectations.

 

Aye, I forgot I expect us to win every game and get the Champions League

 

Straw man-tastic.

[JH]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the f***ing record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get f***ing boring now.

 

Perhaps you need to lower your expectations.

 

Aye, I forgot I expect us to win every game and get the Champions League

 

Straw man-tastic.

 

The amount of times my opinion has been exagerrated like that in this thread is ridiculous.

 

We should be doing better against the so-called 'mediocre' teams - I'm not saying we should have won them all, but we should have at least won one. Now if that makes my expectations too high, then I guess my head is in the clouds.

[The Prophet]

I'm not the only one that needs to 'change the f***ing record'. People consistently have excuses for poor performances - 'bad day at the office' - 'failed to break them down' - it's get f***ing boring now.

 

Perhaps you need to lower your expectations.

 

Aye, I forgot I expect us to win every game and get the Champions League

 

Straw man-tastic.

 

The amount of times my opinion has been exagerrated like that in this thread is ridiculous.

 

We should be doing better against the so-called 'mediocre' teams - I'm not saying we should have won them all, but we should have at least won one. Now if that makes my expectations too high, then I guess my head is in the clouds.

 

...but exactly the same time your putting those offering a potential explanation for our form into a 'well we think this is good enough' bracket. It isn't good enough but I've already posted I think we'll pick up more points against more open sides. It's not the quality of the opposition we're struggling with it's the way they're setting up. You may not agree but we simply don't have enough cutting edge in the squad to deal with it.

[Liam Liam Liam O]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the f***ing record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

 

Today was nothing at all to do with the manager? f*** me.

 

Hughton didn't help himself but his hands were tied to an extent. Personally I'd of gone for Guthrie in the middle and Routledge out wide but other than that it was about as good as we could of hoped for. It was suicidal to play Smith, Nolan and Guthrie in the same side but he obviously feels Routledge isn't up to it.

 

Guthrie on the right didn't work last year in the Championship so he bought Routledge & improved the situation.

 

I can see absolutely no reason for Guthrie on the right to be the better option of the two against even better players in the Premier League, particularly when it's been obvious every time he's tried it this year as well.

 

Hughton's limited in the changes he can make by our squad, but the fact he refuses to make even the most obvious ones which are actually available is fucking infuriating.

[dcmk]

We are so one dimensional and predictable, thats why home form has been s*** we cant break teams down because we dont have a PLAN B, hughton tactically is inept, doesnt know how to change the game, his substitutions are like for like always....there is a reason he hasnt been offered a contract HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH

 

We are 10th... and as for Hughton being tactically inept - that is probably the dumbest statement i have read in this thread.

[The Prophet]

I get the distinct feeling that we've seen the beginning of the end today.

 

It really is almost laughable that, like. It screams relegation.

 

Embarrassing.

 

So lets disregard our positive performances/results, because clearly the negative ones are a far better indicator of our potential as a side this season under Hughton yeah? For no reason other than you being afraid that thats the case. You couldnt be further from levelheaded atall.

 

If you can look at our results (especially our home results - which is mostly what JH posted) without being genuinely worried about going down, you either aren't a fan, or you aren't sane.

 

Apparently disregarding negative performances is alright, but disregarding positive ones is just about the most insane thing you can do.

 

Change the f***ing record man.

 

Today was a brutal punsihment of the short comings of our squad. We lack depth, but then what promoted side doesn't? Without Tiote and Barton we were left with a limited midfield which got completely over run and throughly outplayed by an in form Premier League outfit, it was a bad day at the office. The most important thing is we show something in the way of s responce against Chelsea.

 

As far as the home form is concerned, we've struggled to break sides down but every man and his dog predicted that would be the case without a creative midfielder. While the Blackpool performance was completely unacceptable people seem to have forgotten Blackburn, Stoke and Fulham are established Premier League sides. While they have less quality in their squads than some the way they set up makes it more difficult for promoted, almost naive sides such as ourselves to turn them over. I honestly think we're more suited to playing likes of Everton, Spurs and Villa who will come out and have a go.

 

We've just come up, we'll hit form in dribs and drabs, we'll suffer hidings like today and it will be incredibly frustrating. However I'm still confident we'll pick up enough points to survive relegation come the end of the season.

 

Today was nothing at all to do with the manager? f*** me.

 

Hughton didn't help himself but his hands were tied to an extent. Personally I'd of gone for Guthrie in the middle and Routledge out wide but other than that it was about as good as we could of hoped for. It was suicidal to play Smith, Nolan and Guthrie in the same side but he obviously feels Routledge isn't up to it.

 

Guthrie on the right didn't work last year in the Championship so he bought Routledge & improved the situation.

 

I can see absolutely no reason for Guthrie on the right to be the better option of the two against even better players in the Premier League, particularly when it's been obvious every time he's tried it this year as well.

 

Hughton's limited in the changes he can make by our squad, but the fact he refuses to make even the most obvious ones which are actually available is f***ing infuriating.

 

Aye, still can't help but feel a midfield of Guthrie and Nolan would of still been completely over run today, at least we'd of posed more of an attacking threat.

[Guest BooBoo]

Starting Guthrie on the wing yet again is a huge black mark and as such  CH carries a large amount of blame for today's fiasco.

[Parky]

HUGHTON OUT - PHIL BROWN IN

 

Third and desperate attempt at getting a nibble.