Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Political Correctness gone mad tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Ollie Holt from the Mirror still banging on about there not being enough black managers. It is the case that black managers are not well represented enough, but the Rooney Rule is stupid. Black managers will prove themselves in the coming years, it'll be harder than if they were not black, but the rule is ridiculous in the context of the development of English football (it is slow, but it gets there, racially, basically). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Don't the LMA represent black managers just like they would white managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Don't the LMA represent black managers just like they would white managers? Represented in terms of spread of managers to clubs, sorted by ethnicity. In those terms, they are poorly represented, relative to the population of black footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 You don't really hear of many black managers actually applying for jobs or being in contention for them either. Perhaps it's lack of role models, who knows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Forcing clubs to have to interview at least one 'ethnic' manager isn't going to solve anything. Black players doing their coaching badges, pitching up in lower leagues, proving themselves beyond doubt, then rising, will inspire appropriately. It'll take longer than their talent justifies, but they'll get there and it's the most organic way for them to be properly recognised and accepted within English football. They shouldn't be forced in, in the same way that they shouldn't be forced out based on prejudices. Positive discrimination is bullshit though, especially when we HAVE the lower leagues as a breeding ground, as opposed to NFL where it's like a closed-shop franchise with less of a meritocratic (as if English Football could be described as such...) way of coach progression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 At the same time I think 'the race card' after a failed project breeds laziness within the journalists & crowd. 'Blackburn are proper git racist for sacking Ince' etc etc! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Silly as fuck. He actually proposed Noel Blake and Paul Ince as alternatives for the Chelsea managerial job. Just because they are black. Wrong on so many levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 It's the same as any kind of ''positive discrimination'' it's totally illogical. Because this person is a minority they must be represented in the board room blah blah, companies must interview one tortoise for the role of chief robot, despite how good they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Silly as fuck. He actually proposed Noel Blake and Paul Ince as alternatives for the Chelsea managerial job. Just because they are black. Wrong on so many levels. Noel Blake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Well said GG, completely agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Silly as f***. He actually proposed Noel Blake and Paul Ince as alternatives for the Chelsea managerial job. Just because they are black. Wrong on so many levels. Noel Blake? England u19 coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 If a black manager was good enough and applied he'd get the job. There may be a few racist chairman bit I doubt it's that widespread. Most managers in England are British, and most come from a playing background in Britain (probably from the early 90s/80s). Now I may be wrong like, but i'm pretty sure the very vast majority of English players in those times were white. I don't even know why there has to be a deal made out of it tbh, when I heard Ince was a manager it never crossed my mind "Oh my, He's the first British black manager!!!", I didn't even realise until some huge unecessary story was made out of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Forcing clubs to have to interview at least one 'ethnic' manager isn't going to solve anything. Black players doing their coaching badges, pitching up in lower leagues, proving themselves beyond doubt, then rising, will inspire appropriately. It'll take longer than their talent justifies, but they'll get there and it's the most organic way for them to be properly recognised and accepted within English football. They shouldn't be forced in, in the same way that they shouldn't be forced out based on prejudices. Positive discrimination is bullshit though, especially when we HAVE the lower leagues as a breeding ground, as opposed to NFL where it's like a closed-shop franchise with less of a meritocratic (as if English Football could be described as such...) way of coach progression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 If a black manager was good enough and applied he'd get the job. There may be a few racist chairman bit I doubt it's that widespread. Most managers in England are British, and most come from a playing background in Britain (probably from the early 90s/80s). Now I may be wrong like, but i'm pretty sure the very vast majority of English players in those times were white. I don't even know why there has to be a deal made out of it tbh, when I heard Ince was a manager it never crossed my mind "Oh my, He's the first British black manager!!!", I didn't even realise until some huge unecessary story was made out of it. Agreed, if there were a load of racist chairman (and I know this is xenophobia but there doesn't seem to be much of a line when people are that ignorant) would we have as many French, Portugese, Spanish, Dutch etc.. managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 We must have the 'best' record in the whole country for this btw, having had 2 black managers. What GG's saying about this needing to begin at lower levels is completely true, it's about those clubs considering black managers but also about black pros being interested in coaching and management in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magorific Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There's clearly a problem, for whatever reason, with not enough black players getting into coaching roles from where they can develop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrenchWilliam Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There's clearly a problem, for whatever reason, with not enough black players getting into coaching roles from where they can develop. Why is it a problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Probably much easier to just start off in another country, particularly the US, where it will definitely be a lot easier. Especially as an ex-player or someone with experience in the game in a European league. Will get far more respect I would imagine. Far more scope for learning more and developing quicker too. Check out Emenalo of Chelsea's background as an example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There's clearly a problem, for whatever reason, with not enough black players getting into coaching roles from where they can develop. Why is it a problem? You have to wonder why it's even being brought up as an issue. Has someone complained they aren't getting a break? I always assumed not many black players looked on coaching as a career after football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 There's clearly a problem, for whatever reason, with not enough black players getting into coaching roles from where they can develop. Why is it a problem? You have to wonder why it's even being brought up as an issue. Has someone complained they aren't getting a break? I always assumed not many black players looked on coaching as a career after football. When 25% of the playing workforce is Black and around 1% of the coaching workforce is Black there will always be an issue. It is definitely a combination of all the factors listed above and it should theoretically get better with time, but for now it cannot be written off and should be looked upon as something to address in the British game. Similarly, the FA should be doing everything possible to promote the game in the UK's vast Asian and Arab communities as they are underrepresented at all levels (except ownership). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The NFL started doing this a few years ago with the idea being that it would help minority prospective coaches get used to preparing for and then going through the interview process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 The bigger issue should be utterley shit managers getting 'a go' time after time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Ruth_TheSats u will be cumming in your pants u dirty bitch with excitment lol xx wats happend:) From everyone's favourite weirdo. Lass appears to be 16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Aye he's gone mental again, check out his Tweet to "Tino". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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