Fight/bust up at the training ground?

[junkhead]

If Tayls has out to say expect Lee Ryder to be putting it out not L.Taylor.

yeah but Lee Ryder's now a Carroll fanboy too

[Thespence]

If Tayls has out to say expect Lee Ryder to be putting it out not L.Taylor.

yeah but Lee Ryder's now a Carroll fanboy too

 

Monkseaton Mafia is for life though

[TRon]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

[STM]

If we recieved an 8m offer for Taylor would you take it? I would and i rate him as a player.

[madras]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

i've repeatedly posted lots of IF's in this thread and stated on more than one occasion that i'm doing it.

 

 

[TRon]

If we recieved an 8m offer for Taylor would you take it? I would and i rate him as a player.

 

I still don't think he's that good, I reckon his limitations will be more exposed in the premier. However if he genuinely wants to stay on a realistic wage I'd be happy to keep him. Otherwise £8m would do nicely.

[jdckelly]

If we recieved an 8m offer for Taylor would you take it? I would and i rate him as a player.

id pack his bags for him

[madras]

If we recieved an 8m offer for Taylor would you take it? I would and i rate him as a player.

 

I still don't think he's that good, I reckon his limitations will be more exposed in the premier. However if he genuinely wants to stay on a realistic wage I'd be happy to keep him. Otherwise £8m would do nicely.

that goes for the whole squad.

[TRon]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

i've repeatedly posted lots of IF's in this thread and stated on more than one occasion that i'm doing it.

 

 

 

Ok, but how you can find something disgusting without knowing IF there's been a hatchet job on Taylor I find a bit odd.

[lovejoy]

so................wayne rooney twats jonny evans and breaks his jaw.

 

 

what does Fergie do?

does rooney already have a caution for assault and is he up soon for glassing someone ?

 

 

 

so are we basing this punishemnt on what has gone on previously, both incidents which took place outside of the club? or on this alone?

we are basing it on the way we would if he were anyone else. if it were jimmy down the street and he's found to be the aggressorof this latest incident you'd be screaming for him to be put away for at least a year.

 

its not anybody else though is it?

 

i fail to see why anybody tries to relate this to normal work.

 

it isn't.

 

im not saying that is right by any means, but thats the way it is.

[TRon]

If we recieved an 8m offer for Taylor would you take it? I would and i rate him as a player.

 

I still don't think he's that good, I reckon his limitations will be more exposed in the premier. However if he genuinely wants to stay on a realistic wage I'd be happy to keep him. Otherwise £8m would do nicely.

that goes for the whole squad.

 

Well the same applies if anyone asks the same question about anyone else in the squad.

[madras]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

i've repeatedly posted lots of IF's in this thread and stated on more than one occasion that i'm doing it.

 

 

 

Ok, but how you can find something disgusting without knowing IF there's been a hatchet job on Taylor I find a bit odd.

many on here will let him off with it even if he is at fault because he is in form....... and yes, i find that disgusting.

[Thespence]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

 

Hang on on sec, you have made it quite clear your against Taylor with out the full facts...no I cant be arsed to go back through your posts either & highlight them to you but that is how you have came across to me in this thread.

 

Also what more details do you need as I thought L.Taylors article was really S.Taylors article I.E how one of the combatants sees it.

 

[Exiled in Texas]

..... in any other business/industry we'd say it stinks.

 

I was at Dunder Mifflin today on a sales call, and apparently their top PhotoCopier sales man got into a brawl in the conference room with their top Paper salesman. Apparently the copier guy broke the jaw of the paper sales man.

 

I called the press relations guy at Dunder Mifflin to ask what happened and was told that it was an internal matter and would not be discussed externally. I told them that I have a right to know what happened because both guys sell my company copiers and paper but was told that they couldn't/wouldn't tell me anything.

 

I asked a mate who works at DM what was going on and he said that HR was reviewing the alleged incident. I asked if the copier guy was still on the road making sales calls, and apparently he is.  I told my mate that he should have been immediatley suspended by his Sales Director even though the incident allegedly happened in the empty break room by the ice machine when no-one else was around. The Sales Director is keeping the copier guy out on the road as he is pulling in big contracts and their sales numbers are way up. Apparently the Sales Director has taken advice from HR about this and until their investigation is over the copier guy should stay on the road and keep bringing in the sales.

 

I think the Sales Director is weak for not overriding HR, and for not suspending the guy, and loosing out on his annual sales target. Should have had better morals and dealt with the copier guy and forgotten about the big contracts. I mean, they have an intern/YTS kid who can at least copy double sided and should be able to fill in.

 

I mean......what type of company keeps this stuff internal and doesn't share their internal issues with their paying customers.

 

 

[Thespence]

Not since I watched a show about Wernham-Hogg paper merchants has the world of paper seemed so interesting.

[TRon]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

 

Hang on on sec, you have made it quite clear your against Taylor with out the full facts...no I cant be arsed to go back through your posts either & highlight them to you but that is how you have came across to me in this thread.

 

Also what more details do you need as I thought L.Taylors article was really S.Taylors article I.E how one of the combatants sees it.

 

 

I am sceptical about Taylor, I wouldn't say I'm against him. I still remember the way he carried on in his contract wrangle with the club but that doesn't mean I'm against him in everything he does. I do put the football first though and if the club hierarchy haven't come down hard on Carroll (yet) then I would trust that it's in hand and being dealt with.

[STM]

I'm not sure about either players personality.

 

From what i can gather (which is pure speculation), Carroll seems a bit of a loose cannon but is liked by most of his team mates, where as Taylor comes across as abit of a loser who doesn't take life very seriously.

 

Loyalty to the club will win me over when it comes to these two.

[STM]

BTW did the club drop Carroll earlier in the season after his nightclub incident or take some sort of disciplinary action?

 

If they did, it would suggest they have at least taken a neutral stance on this bust up, or perhaps even sided with Carroll.... due to the fact they have taken no action this time.

 

Either that or they are inconsistant.

[Thespence]

BTW did the club drop Carroll earlier in the season after his nightclub incident or take some sort of disciplinary action?

 

If they did, it would suggest they have at least taken a neutral stance on this bust up, or perhaps even sided with Carroll.... due to the fact they have taken no action this time.

 

Either that or they are inconsistant.

 

Back then AC  shooting was scudesq & we also had Lovenkrands, Ameobi, Harewood & Ranger all fit. If AC didnt play against Donny it was Ranger or Best up front

[Happy Face]

Anyone who thinks Taylor's sympathy article in the Guardian was done without his knowledge is deluded tbh.

 

No. In no way was he party to that article.

 

How was Louise Taylor able to tell us about Taylor's disappointment with the lack of support from the club then?

maybe, just maybe he conveyed his feelings to someone else who told loopy lou.

 

His Da? 

or someone else........ does it really matter. it's just adding to the hatchet job being done on him to protect a player in form. this time last year carroll would probably have been listed.

 

 

quite disgusting really the way people have certain views about life in general but are prepared to ditch them for football.

 

You are assuming everyone knows what went on or what happened. You might be of the opinion that nothing condones a violent response and you would probably be right but without more details I wouldn't cast aspersions on how the club are dealing with it.

i've repeatedly posted lots of IF's in this thread and stated on more than one occasion that i'm doing it.

 

 

 

Ok, but how you can find something disgusting without knowing IF there's been a hatchet job on Taylor I find a bit odd.

many on here will let him off with it even if he is at fault because he is in form....... and yes, i find that disgusting.

 

Was Barton in form when we let him off?

[BottledDog]

BTW did the club drop Carroll earlier in the season after his nightclub incident or take some sort of disciplinary action?

 

If they did, it would suggest they have at least taken a neutral stance on this bust up, or perhaps even sided with Carroll.... due to the fact they have taken no action this time.

 

Either that or they are inconsistant.

 

Who knows. He was 'dropped', but it may be unfair to charge them with being inconsistant when it could be argued that he was just sidelined due to his own mental state considering the law was involoved.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Looks like the Lord does indeed move in mysterious ways.

 

Carroll to miss the promotion game and Shola/Ranger to bag us the goal to send us up.

 

Probably a better punishment than anything the club could dish out. (He'll still get the Championship winning game though so I'm not being totally mean to the kid)

[Thespence]

Got the below from SMB who it turn read it from http://www.nor-cross.co.uk/

 

 

The lad from SMB types "Found this on the back page of The Northern Cross catholic newspaper who Brian McNally writes for - interesting insight into the Carroll v Taylor bust up" before posting:

 

 

THE one thing that the

soap opera called Newcastle

United guarantees is that

even the most optimistic

episodes are undoubtedly

spiced with needless adversity,

tragi-comedy and selfdestruction.

As the more cynical hacks

in the sporting corps of the

North East press pack usually

put it: “The Toon can always

snatch defeat from the jaws

of victory.”

And so the penchant for implosion

reared its ugly head

again as we approached the

decisive Easter period with

the Magpies having established

what I consider an

unassailable position at the

head of the Championship.

Manager Chris Hughton

has largely kept the lid on the

dressing room madness that

was part and parcel of the

Newcastle United story for

most of their 16-year Premier

League era.

I use the word “largely” because

I was well aware of incidents

of indiscipline

involving some younger

members of the squad that

were successfully covered up

by the Toon top brass in a

season that has been pleasantly

productive on the pitch.

It was maybe the fact that

some of these youthful excesses

were successfully kept

out of the media that Newcastle

felt emboldened to try

and suppress any reportage of

the training ground bust-up

between striker Andy Carroll

and central defender Steven

Taylor that saw the former

England under-21 skipper

suffer a double fracture to his

jaw.

When a clearly traumatized

Taylor was seen entering a

public ward of an NHS hospital

in Newcastle holding

his jaw on Sunday, March 21,

newspapers and journalists

were flooded with calls from

anxious Toon fans.

As Carroll was also spotted

in hospital on the same day

with injuries to both his

hands, it didn’t require a

Sherlock Holmes to deduce

from the evidence that an altercation

involving the two

Newcastle players had taken

place.

Within a very short space of

time the details of the incident

which took place while

Taylor was having an ice bath

at the Magpies training centre

at Little Benton were soon

being relayed to the media by

eye witnesses.

My information came directly

from the camp of one

of the players involved as

well as from other Newcastle

insiders.

From what I was told, it

was a shameful, outrageous,

incident that should not go

unpunished.

In just about any other work

place in the land, the offender

would have been suspended

pending an internal investigation.

Newcastle’s response to a

clearly unacceptable incident

that left a star player valued

in the £8million bracket with

injuries so serious that he

couldn’t work was to act as if

absolutely nothing had happened.

Publicly, Newcastle were in

denial. Privately, there were

admissions that the silence

was because of a “delicate”

legal situation.

Andy Carroll is on bail until

April 29 on a charge of assault

occasioning actual bodily

harm after a completely

separate incident at a Newcastle

city centre night club.

That allegation will be heard

in a public court of law over

which the football club has

no jurisdiction or influence to

keep the matter out of the

press.

The wall of silence Newcastle

erected over the internal

incident has done their

reputation no good.

By failing to come clean on

the incident they are guilty of

moral cowardice. And their

stance contrasts sharply with

their attitude to previous indiscretions

committed by

players.

We were told back in 2008

that such was Mike Ashley’s

disgust with Joey Barton’s

penchant for thumping people

that the billionaire owner

wanted to kick him out of the

club despite the then manager

Kevin Keegan’s protests.

And when Carroll was

charged with assault last December

after a man was allegedly

glassed in a night

club in Newcastle, Carroll

was dropped from the Newcastle

team.

That led me to believe

Newcastle were making a

principled stand against the

alleged thuggery that has

blackened the club’s name for

far too long.

Sadly, it seems that the

Newcastle top brass believe

that by saying nothing about

the Taylor incident then the

inevitable repercussions will

somehow go away.

As I revealed in the Sunday

Mirror, what is sickening is

that there has been a disgusting

internet and email campaign

directed at blackening

Taylor’s name with accusations

that he is arrogant and

too friendly with the media,

while Carroll is presented as

simply being “a good lad

who is just easily wound up.”

Such conjecture is inevitable

given the club’s reluctance

to state the facts of

the matter.

Hughton is a man whom I

have come to admire this season

but when I questioned

him about the incident I was

disappointed with the way he

avoided the issues of principle

involved.

I can promise Newcastle

United that the truth about

what happened will come

out.

Too many people witnessed

the incident for the facts to be

permanently hidden.

Unfortunately, it seems that

this sorry saga will end with

Taylor, a fine and model professional,

leaving the club for

a top Premier League club.

It is heartening that Newcastle

also are heading for the

Premier League, but disappointing

that it is with a leadership

that appears to have

abandoned principle in

favour of expediency.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=486366#ixzz0kMiUQ0mS

 

[thomas]

Fuck reading that

[Dave]

Fuck reading that

 

 

My thoughts exactly.