World on alert Germans marching again!

[NG32]

Execute Howard Wilkinson for the gods.

[cp40]

What pissed me off, when we conceded a goal...all the players just look around but no one asks questions and tells people to do their jobs correctly next time.  They just look about as if they cant criticise each other.

 

WTF.

 

To many egos in the England team.

 

You watched a different match to me.  James was certainly not happy and also Johnson for the 1st and 2nd.  Quite clearly bemused with the defending

 

Yeah, sure they all looked bemused but i didn't see anyone correcting or reminding each other not to do s*** like that.

 

Concede a goal, look bemused, walk back to positon for kick off and start again.

 

If james wasn't happy or bemused with the defense why didn't he let them know instead of just looking bemused?

 

 

 

he didnt know what to tell them - he was bemused.

[TaylorJ_01]

I know we got smashed and we were pretty shit. But there was that period after we scored where we had a bit of fight about us.

 

Who knows what would have happened if Lampards goal was allowed. Makes me feel slightly sick tbh.

[Doug]

I am just glad I was not one of those two embarrassed by turning up on international TV thousands of miles away from home at great expense dressed in RAF uniform complete with handlebar tache and flying helmets.

Almost as cretin like as dressing in full medieval crusader uniform away from these shores.

[David28]

from the hungary friendly in august onwards - draft in the kids. aim for building for the next world cup. that means trying as hard as possible for the euros before that but so what if it goes tits up - we need to start from scratch. 2 yrs isnt enough to build a national team - saying that though the germans managed it.

 

They didn't build a new national team.

 

Neuer, Boateng, Khedira, Özil and Müller were the only players who played and weren't in the team in 2008. 5 players - would Ballack have been available Khedira wouldn't had played.

[huss9]

fair enough, but thats still 5 good players in the first team , added to those also in the squad.

[Guest Heneage]

Was the England team that beat Germany 5-1 not much younger than their German counterparts on that day?

[Andy]

Someone posts a picture of a puddy cat, gets ribbed because of it, reacts by talking about knocking someone out and the ribber gets the flak and called a kid?!?! hahahaha

 

Un-fucking-believable.

 

Have a word little boys. Or at least lower the knocking out talk.

 

He said "it could knock you out", referring to the cat. Jokingly. Were you pricedoutofsenseofhumour too?

[dcmk]

What pissed me off, when we conceded a goal...all the players just look around but no one asks questions and tells people to do their jobs correctly next time.  They just look about as if they cant criticise each other.

 

WTF.

 

To many egos in the England team.

 

You watched a different match to me.  James was certainly not happy and also Johnson for the 1st and 2nd.  Quite clearly bemused with the defending

 

Yeah, sure they all looked bemused but i didn't see anyone correcting or reminding each other not to do s*** like that.

 

Concede a goal, look bemused, walk back to positon for kick off and start again.

 

If james wasn't happy or bemused with the defense why didn't he let them know instead of just looking bemused?

 

 

 

he didnt know what to tell them - he was bemused.

 

James did have a right go at them especially after the first goal.    Showed the replays enough times

[OzzieMandias]

The Wing Commander at his ranting best:

 

EMPIRICALLY EXCELLENT ENGLAND ROUT EXCESSIVELY GOAL-PRONE UPSTART GERMAN WHELPS 1-4

 

Ah, the Germans. Arrogant, brutally efficient, square-jawed, humourless, except when some particularly vicious act of sadism causes a smile of relish to play about their thin but prominent lips, playing to the regular rhythm of leather boot-heel across gravel as they annex some wretched Eastern European nation – there can be few men of cultivation who do not harbour a rare soft spot for this proud people, foreign as they regrettably are. And yet, there is always the fatal flaw that distinguishes the Teuton from the pure bred Englishman. A debate currently rages about whether a foreigner ought to be allowed to manage another country and so it was in the 1930s in the Fatherland. Since they were minded to do so, however, would that they had opted for the stewardship of our own Mr Oswald Mosley, hero of Cable Street, as opposed to the excitable little Austrian unigonad with whom they ultimately threw in their lot. One sympathises, naturally, with the overall hygienic intentions of their 1930s/40s administration but laments that for all their efforts to pick up their feet as they strode through Europe, they remained, at heart, bungling sauerkraut gobblers. As one of our finest and most married of English playwrights might have put it, “To lose one World War might be regarded as a misfortune. To lose both looks like carelessness.”

 

We could have been terrific chums, England and Germany, had they accepted their subordinate role as comic, imperfect English speaking sidekicks to our handsome leading men. It was not to be, however. And so, the rivalry remains robust. Or has been. I have noted with some displeasure that the benighted younger generation is decreasingly inclined to join in with the merry banter at the expense of the Bosch which has long been a staple of our culture. The tabloid, or yellow press made a token effort today with headlines such as “COME ON ENGLISH BULLDOGS, STUFF THEIR HITLER SAUSAGES DOWN THEIR THROATS”, “ROO, LAMPS, LET'S FINISH THE JOB WE STARTED IN DRESDEN” and “THE ONLY GOOD GERMAN FORWARD IS A DEAD NAZI” but you sensed their hearts weren't really in it. The entire mood of the nation was, I felt, insufficiently bellicose. One raged thus; this isn't some kickabout in No Man's Land in December 1915. This is the round of 16. This is war.

 

All the same, as the teams lined up for the National Anthems, one sat relaxed in one's armchair like Churchill at the Yalta Summit, fully confident of ultimate victory. The National Anthems, as ever, confirmed this. Our own was blared out with the confidence in Her Majesty that had her Mother had her way, we would have allowed Germany a “by” into the next round in exchange for safe passage by ocean liner to Canada. As for the Germans, they murmured their way through its dolorous passages, like small men weighed down by their own tubas, realising that the extent to which Deutschland would ever be “über alles” would be, almost half a century on, finally in control of the Eastern half of its own self. A poor haul, all told.

 

Despite this, the match was allowed to go ahead (an argument for video technology, surely, with the referee, linesman and fourth official allowed access to footage of The World At War, which quite clearly shows that we won the 1939-1945 campaign?). The game began at a cracking pelt, with England at once reminiscent of Corporal Jones run amok with his bayonet, and the hapless Germans scattered, clutching their trouser seats, shouting “Hilfe!” in high-pitched, cracked voices – all reminders of England's dominance on the pitch over Germany circa 1972. So emphatic was our dominance was that it was of little matter when the Germans put the ball in the net a couple of times in the opening, 20 odd minutes. This had, after all, reactivated a debate that raged among thinking men prior to the match. Should we adopt towards Germany the strategy of Versailles and crush them utterly and humiliatingly, or perhaps let them have a goal or two, a sort of a Marshall Plan, so as to pacify them and reduce them to their current status of red-trousered, white socked, yellow tank topped, poodle haired imbeciles with a pidgin grasp of modern culture, capable only of inane utterances such as “Life Is Life”? (Well, of course it bally well is, what else did you think it was? Lettuce? Pyjamas?) The vuvuzelas droned from both sets of supporters, though the benighted Germans' were distinguishable by the conspicuous umlauts on their b-flat blares.

 

Before long, England had more than restored parity, thanks not least to the ball bouncing off the head of the indispensable Matthew Upson into the German net. There then followed a goal from Frank Lampard. This, the referee, in his overseas obtuseness, failed to award but of course, this is both to be expected and of no consequence. The suggestions of foreign officials are, of course, noted, as a quaint, diplomatic matter of course, but count for nothing in the actual register of things. He felt it was no goal; I realised it was, to all intents and purposes, as was an earlier effort by Steven Gerrard which uprooted the corner flag but had so clearly and fervently been intended to land between the goalposts that in my judicial view it counted as a goal and was marked down as such.

 

Come the second half and England continued to dictate the tempo of the game in the manner that the aforementioned Corporal Jones dictated the pace of the Platoon drill in the Dad's Army documentary series. Always that half a second's difference. We were imperious. Glenn Johnson and Ashley Cole were never caught so far out of position at the back that the German forward line could have constructed vast estates complete with turreted Bavarian castles, stables and grounds for boar hunting in the space they left behind. Gareth Barry proved himself to be a player of true continental standard, moving and drifting as he did at the speed of continents. James Milner wasn't, yet again, a beefed up slab of useless, twatfangled cuntwaddery mouthbreathing much-needed air on the touchline. Steven Gerrard once again proved his worth as a goodwill ambassador and free gift distributor, spraying balls gratuitously into the crowd at every opportunity. And Wayne Rooney once again gave the lie to the idea that here is a man with whom you'd no more trust to do the right thing with the ball than you would him to do with your own grandmother.

 

So serene was England's dominance that at no point did you find yourself howling at the pitch of your lungs the following; FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU PACELESS, ARROGANT, AGENT-COSSETTED, OVER-INDULGED, CULTURELESS, WAG-WHIPPED, FRECKLED, EARPLUGGED, SO-BORING-IN-INTERVIEWS-ON-FUCKING-FOOTBALL-FOCUS-THEY-HAVE-TO-FAST-CUT-TO-PHOTOS-OF -YOUR-HANDS-AND-FLIP-FROM-COLOUR-TO-BLACK-AND-WHITE, GOLDEN SHOWER OF A FUCKING NON-GENERATION, WILL YOU STOP PASSING THE BALL AROUND LIKE A) IT'S A FUCKING BLACK ROUND BOMB WITH A BURNING FUSE , THE LIKE OF WHICH YOU ONLY GET IN THE BEANO OR THE BATMAN FILM WITH ADAM FUCKING WEST, OR B) IT'S POSSIBLE TO CATCH SOME WEIRD STRAIN OF FOOT-AIDS FROM A FUCKING FOOTBALL!

 

As the final whistle blew, it was clear that England's performance had earned them a place in the quarter finals. I refer, of course, to our performance at Waterloo in 1815, which is a supreme historical determinant. Having once again lost count of the score by which England prevailed, I asked Seppings the result. Although trembling for some reason, his answer was clear enough to me. “Germany? Faugh! England won.” And yet, I hear talk that according to some new-fangled, Brussels-based metric-style measurement, the Germans are claiming that, owing to the technicality of their players having put the ball in the net quite a few more times than our own, they are claiming passage to the next round, with factors such as pedigree, history of empire, erectness, spunk and beef disregarded altogether. This will not stand. I cast my hopeful eyes upon John Terry, who was this day as accommodating and wise to the Germans in defence as was Mr Neville Chamberlain in 1938. I charge him to deliver the following message to both the German Chancellor and to the British people, by the medium of wireless. That we have demanded that the umlauted German manager Herr Löw ask himself who does he think he is kidding if he thinks old England are done in this World Cup. That this evening the British Captain in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11.00 pm that they were prepared at once to withdraw their team from the quarter finals, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is, once again, at war with Germany. And this time, we shall not bring on Shaun Wright Phillips as substitute. This time we are serious.

 

http://www.wsc.co.uk/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,73/func,view/catid,34/id,403029/

[TaylorJ_01]

tl;dr

 

I can't be arsed reading endless articles about how bad England were tbh.

 

EDIT: Actually that was pretty funny. But point still stands.

[Parky]

"Football's world governing body today voted in favour of the "six-plus-five" rule, which would put a limit on the number of foreign players each team could field.

 

Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has said he hopes the controversial rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season. His vision appears to be a step closer following the overwhelming backing at Fifa's annual congress in Sydney, Australia. The rule would limit every team to only five foreign players in their starting XI.

 

The Football Association have confirmed they voted in favour of discussing Fifa's six-plus-five rule proposal.

 

"Bringing through more high-quality English players in the future is an absolute priority for the FA," an FA spokesman said. "One of our reservations has always been that the 'six-plus-five' rule appears to contravene European law and we welcome further exploration of its legality. "

[David28]

Was the England team that beat Germany 5-1 not much younger than their German counterparts on that day?

 

I think it was much younger than the German team. Germany used to have "old" teams that time with experienced players. It's the other way around now.

[Village Idiot]

"Football's world governing body today voted in favour of the "six-plus-five" rule, which would put a limit on the number of foreign players each team could field.

 

Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has said he hopes the controversial rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season. His vision appears to be a step closer following the overwhelming backing at Fifa's annual congress in Sydney, Australia. The rule would limit every team to only five foreign players in their starting XI.

 

The Football Association have confirmed they voted in favour of discussing Fifa's six-plus-five rule proposal.

 

"Bringing through more high-quality English players in the future is an absolute priority for the FA," an FA spokesman said. "One of our reservations has always been that the 'six-plus-five' rule appears to contravene European law and we welcome further exploration of its legality. "

 

Is that foreign players as in any foreign player or is with that "homegrown" bullshit clause?

[Parky]

"Football's world governing body today voted in favour of the "six-plus-five" rule, which would put a limit on the number of foreign players each team could field.

 

Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has said he hopes the controversial rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season. His vision appears to be a step closer following the overwhelming backing at Fifa's annual congress in Sydney, Australia. The rule would limit every team to only five foreign players in their starting XI.

 

The Football Association have confirmed they voted in favour of discussing Fifa's six-plus-five rule proposal.

 

"Bringing through more high-quality English players in the future is an absolute priority for the FA," an FA spokesman said. "One of our reservations has always been that the 'six-plus-five' rule appears to contravene European law and we welcome further exploration of its legality. "

 

Is that foreign players as in any foreign player or is with that "homegrown" bullshit clause?

 

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article4031314.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

[Parky]

Foreign footballer cap not illegal says report

By Geoff Meade, PA

 

Thursday, 26 February 2009

Fifa president Sepp Blatter is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season

 

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Fifa president Sepp Blatter is determined to see the 6+5 rule in place by the start of the 2012-13 season

 

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Controversial plans by football's world governing body to limit the number of foreign players do not breach EU rules, an independent report declared today.

 

Fifa's so-called "6+5" rule has been overwhelmingly approved by 155 of the organisation's member nations, but dismissed as illegal by the European Commission and most EU governments because they say it amounts to discrimination at work and a restriction on the free movement of workers.

 

Now the Institute for European Affairs (INEA) - commissioned by Fifa itself to study the issue - claims the idea of restricting foreign players in league games does not fall foul of EU rules on free movement of workers.

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[Village Idiot]

"Football's world governing body today voted in favour of the "six-plus-five" rule, which would put a limit on the number of foreign players each team could field.

 

Sepp Blatter, the Fifa president, has said he hopes the controversial rule will be in place by the 2012-13 season. His vision appears to be a step closer following the overwhelming backing at Fifa's annual congress in Sydney, Australia. The rule would limit every team to only five foreign players in their starting XI.

 

The Football Association have confirmed they voted in favour of discussing Fifa's six-plus-five rule proposal.

 

"Bringing through more high-quality English players in the future is an absolute priority for the FA," an FA spokesman said. "One of our reservations has always been that the 'six-plus-five' rule appears to contravene European law and we welcome further exploration of its legality. "

 

Is that foreign players as in any foreign player or is with that "homegrown" bullshit clause?

 

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article4031314.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

 

I see, so it's the real deal. Can't see it getting past the UE, however.

[Parky]

365 foreign players in the PL. 

 

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/default/gastarbeiterstartseite/basics.html

[GeordieDazzler]

VIDEO TECHNOLOGY CONFIRMS ENGLAND ARE VERY BAD AT FOOTBALL

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/video-technology-confirms-england-are-very-bad-at-football-201006282855/

 

...The use of television has been a source of controversy in the sport, but experts insist it offers a fool-proof method for determining whether a team is good at football or whether it is simply a collection of absurdly over-compensated, second-rate commercial brands with ghastly, vulgar wives, locked in a sado-masochistic relationship with a cretinous media that merely reflects a society that has taken its natural intelligence, its sense of perspective and its values and violently drowned them all in a bucket of piss....

 

[Parky]

Fabio Capello and England's Dilemma: Only 34 Percent of EPL Players Are English 

Matt S by

Matt S

Written on April 20, 2010

Are these statistics worrying for Fabio Capello?

 

With the World Cup merely weeks away, increasing amounts of column inches are being dedicated to who may, should, or will be selected in Fabio Capello’s World Cup squad.

Seemingly any English player producing even a half-decent display is met with cries of "get him on the plane!”

Questions are raised as to whether Capello should stick by the established names who performed well during the successful qualifying campaign or seek out new, potentially in-form players who might fall into the "secret weapon" category.

 

 

But, just how many players are out there for Capello to choose from?

 

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"

 

Statistics have revealed that just one third of players who have started at least one game in the Premier League this season have been English.

 

More specifically of the 453 players to have started at least one game in the English top flight this season, only 155 of them have been English, clocking in at just 34 percent.

 

The figures hold up in another examination: in the recent Gameweek 34 of the Premier League, in which all 20 clubs played, 89 of the 271 (33 percent) players used were English.

 

 

 

Comparison to other major European leagues does not make it any easier to read.

 

 

Spain’s La Liga sees Spaniards make up two thirds of all players to have started a game in La Liga this season (65 percent), almost double that of the Premier League.

 

Italy is not far behind, with 57 percent of players starting a game in Serie A this season being Italian.

 

Germany finds itself halfway between England and Italy with 45 percent of players starting a game in the Bundesliga this season being German.

 

 

[Village Idiot]

Spain’s La Liga sees Spaniards make up two thirds of all players to have started a game in La Liga this season (65 percent), almost double that of the Premier League.

 

Nice, I knew our foreign/domestic player ratio was good, but didn't know it was so much.

[Disco]

Might be a moot point as I haven't thought it through but is part of the problem not because our lower positioned Prem teams are still rich as fuck in terms of comparisons to say Valldolid, Bochum or Catania and therefore can still afford to spunk big bucks on foreign imports whereas the smaller foreign teams invest their relatively less money in promoting youth.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Might be a moot point as I haven't thought it through but is part of the problem not because our lower positioned Prem teams are still rich as fuck in terms of comparisons to say Valldolid, Bochum or Catania and therefore can still afford to spunk big bucks on foreign imports whereas the smaller foreign teams invest their relatively less money in promoting youth.

 

Also, for some reason British players have become unrealistically expensive compared to importing players from abroad.

[Parky]

Might be a moot point as I haven't thought it through but is part of the problem not because our lower positioned Prem teams are still rich as fuck in terms of comparisons to say Valldolid, Bochum or Catania and therefore can still afford to spunk big bucks on foreign imports whereas the smaller foreign teams invest their relatively less money in promoting youth.

 

That is part of the problem. I'd go futher than the 6+5 I'd have international caps minimums to keep out the middle tier riff raff.

[Village Idiot]

Might be a moot point as I haven't thought it through but is part of the problem not because our lower positioned Prem teams are still rich as f*** in terms of comparisons to say Valldolid, Bochum or Catania and therefore can still afford to spunk big bucks on foreign imports whereas the smaller foreign teams invest their relatively less money in promoting youth.

 

Out of the current Spain squad, 18 out of 23 players come from the academies of the richest clubs in the land, however (Barça, Madrid, Sevilla, Valencia, Atlético).

 

Only David Villa comes from a small team academy (Gijón).

 

It is true that the academies of these rich clubs have become really good at scouting and snapping up prospects in youth tournaments, however.

 

I agree on the overall point that it's cheaper for Valladolid to field a bunch of local lads than buying Arriaga, Arriaga II and Barriaga.