Interpolic Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Well he was brilliant for 12 months but half of it was in a lower league. Such a bad transfer for him and Liverpool like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Colo and Enrique were probably our best players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Carroll and Enrique were a long way from being our best players. That is nonsense. Carroll was easily our most important players while he was here last season. Enrique was also consistently in the team and consistently performed at an exceptional level. It is revisionist to say otherwise. You think they were our best two players last season? Dodgy streams by the sounds of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Carroll and Enrique were a long way from being our best players. That is nonsense. Carroll was easily our most important players while he was here last season. Enrique was also consistently in the team and consistently performed at an exceptional level. It is revisionist to say otherwise. Spot on. Our first choice 11 while both were here was probably Harper/Simpson-Colo-Taylor-Enrique/Barton-Nolan-Tiote-Jonas/Carroll-Ameobi, they were easily 2 of our best players. What the hell does our best 11 have to do with the ludicrous comment that implied Enrique was better than the likes of Colo and Tiote? Carroll too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 You said they were a "long way" from being our best players. Only Coloccini and Tiote have a hope in hell of challenging them from that 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It's the way you phrase 'em Ronaldo, anyone would think you did it deliberately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 I'd say Barton probably had a better season than Enrique. Jonas was possibly better than Jose in the second half of the season, too. Enrique was good but not great last season. Carroll had a magnificent 3 months. Don't think that warrants saying he was one of our 'two best players'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Well yeah, Carroll didn't put any good shifts in for us after we sold him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Or for Liverpool. Those 3 months are starting to look a lot like Bobby Zamora's for Fulham a couple of years back. Purple patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Certainly 2 of our top 5. Ridiculous hyperbole to say they were a long way from being our best players. Liverpool poached them for a reason, although it hasn't turned out that well, lurlz. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Still think they're both a long way from Coloccini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Difficult to judge it on the whole given that Carroll wasn't with us all season but I'd go something like Coloccini>>>Carroll>Tiote>>Enrique>Jonas (as if my stupid little arrows make any fucking difference ). Carroll was looking unstoppable although it is easy to forget he was injured in December which continued into his early days at Liverpool. Pretty sure he'd have came back into the side and made a very significant contribution though. I do agree that Coloccini's been our best and most important player for nearly 3 seasons now, by a long shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Actually I've shortchanged Barton a bit there, expecting a disgruntled tweet any minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=241622.0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=241622.0 I still can't believe someone bought Glen Johnson for 16M. Must wank alongside Downing, Henderson & Carroll transfers as pure money down the drain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=241622.0 I still can't believe someone bought Glen Johnson for 16M. Must wank alongside Downing, Henderson & Carroll transfers as pure money down the drain. http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/woss.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Falling apart? Liverpool have reasons to celebrate despite horrible collapse at QPR Kenny Dalgish's team toyed with Rangers for 75 minutes and deserve credit for the general enterprise of their play despite difficulties in eking out results By Wayne Veysey at Loftus Road Win, lose or draw, Kenny Dalglish is not one for giving the gentlemen of the media what they want when it comes to analysing football matches. If Harry Redknapp and Arsene Wenger are at one end of the scale, then the Liverpool manager is at the other, jostling for position with equally tetchy fellow Scot, Mr. Ferguson. But when he said that he had no answers to the incredible chain of events at Loftus Road that took Liverpool, within minutes from returning to Merseyside with a comfortable three points to going home empty-handed, for once he was not being evasive. “I don’t think anybody saw that coming,” he said of the result. “There is not much more we can say. I don’t have any answers as to what happened.” No one did. It was a spectacular comeback by QPR, as incredible as any of the other bonkers results of a Premier League season that has become defined by them – Manchester United’s 8-2 win over Arsenal, Manchester City’s 6-1 triumph at Old Trafford and Arsenal’s 5-3 victory at Chelsea. Mark Hughes’ team had no right to beat Liverpool on Wednesday night. When Dalglish observed that the League Cup winners could have been 4-0 up at half-time, he was not exaggerating. Liverpool toyed with their opponents for 75 minutes. The passing was imaginative, the movement sharp and the interchanging of positions slick. Some of the link-up play between Luis Suarez, Steven Gerrard and Stewart Downing in the opening 20 minutes was as good as anything Liverpool have produced all season. It was dazzling stuff, delivered at breakneck speed. The approach play, however, was not rewarded with the goals that it merited – it is a failing that has assumed chronic levels of ineptitude. That it took a scissor kick of truly staggering quality by substitute centre-half Sebastian Coates to open the scoring in the 54th minute was indicative of the team’s scoring pains. Dirk Kuyt doubled the lead 18 minutes later, but only after Luis Suarez did what he does better than anyone else in world football – wriggling away from confused defenders before sending a shot crashing against the post – and Stewart Downing had drawn an excellent reflex save from Rangers keeper Paddy Kenny - all in the same phase of play. Hughes admitted that he was surprised that, at this point, a team of Liverpool’s calibre did not put the game to bed. Dalglish refuted the suggestion that his team dozed off. So, how did a team staring relegation back to the Championship in the face and who had not won for two months suddenly find the belief and know-how to come back from the dead? Analysing the goals one by one, the defenders do not come out of the sudden implosion with much credit. Between them, Jamie Carragher and Jordan Henderson were unable to prevent Shaun Derry, perhaps the smallest man on the pitch, from stealing in between them and heading the opener. It was like a little boy running off with a bag of pick ‘n mix from a sweet shop while the shopkeeper stood chatting amicably to his colleague. Djibril Cisse emphatically headed the second in the 86th minute after losing Martin Skrtel on the edge of the six-yard box. Jose Enrique’s botched clearance allowed Jamie Mackie to latch on to what was simply a long ball and slide in the winner. It was dreadful defending. QPR deserve enormous credit for smelling blood, feeding off the fervour of their wonderfully tight-knit stadium and going in for the kill. The finishing, Hughes and his meticulous coaching staff will have noted, was composed and emphatic. Despite the result, the desperate nature of the defeat and the meagre reward of 42 points from 29 league encounters, there is plenty of reason for cautious optimism in the red half of Merseyside. Liverpool continue to play some of the most aesthetically pleasing football in the English top tier. They dominate weaker teams and hold their own against the big ones. They are generally fun to watch. The team shape is also progressing, if a little slowly at times. The back five, barring Wednesday’s collapse, is resilient and capable with strength in reserve. Steven Gerrard and Luis Suarez, the two star turns, are relocating their mojos. The core of the team is young and will get better. Furthermore, it should not be forgotten that Lucas Leiva, the outstanding midfield enforcer, has been unavailable since November 29 with a cruciate knee ligament injury. The Brazilian has been sorely missed. His team might well have won had he been relentlessly pressing QPR's exhausted players late on. Liverpool are maddeningly wasteful in front of goal – and consistently inconsistent in terms of results. But there is tangible proof that the methods of Dalglish and his No2 Steve Clarke – if not yet director of football Damien Comolli – are working. A glistening new trophy sits in the Anfield cabinet, the first for six years. A mouthwatering FA Cup semi-final tie against Everton or Sunderland has been scribbled in the diaries of supporters. Sitting 28 points in the table behind Manchester United after throwing away a game that, with just minutes left on the clock, no punter in the land would have bet them to lose can hardly be said to be the best of times. But they are not the worst, either. The glory days are coming back. But they are still being interspersed with some wretched ones, too. http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/03/22/2984538/falling-apart-liverpool-have-reasons-to-celebrate-despite Jesus Fucking Christ on a Bike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Once they're mathematically out of the race for 4th then he'll get a goal. That will be 3 seasons off the belt without CL football - their place in the 'SKY 4' will disappear. The money they're spending (wasting) has to come from somewhere and their prolonged failure to compete in Europe can only harm them. Well it can, but things like the big kit deal have kept them ticking over. Annoyingly, they have succeeded in trading on their name to keep their revenue very high, and that seems to be able to cope with their massive wage bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 that kit deal is fuckin nuts, 300m over 6 years right? 60m a season....they can keep giving kenny money to piss away for the forseeable really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 And some people think its disgraceful that we don't compete with them on transfer fees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 do they, who are those people? come to think of it i haven't heard anyone really complain about our transfer policy for quite some time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisd09 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Still can't believe the blind backing of Kenny by some supporters. A very sensible mate of mine normally just things he's the best around, refuses to acknowledge that Kenny's record and Hodgson's are very similar and that Kenny has had chance to build 'his' team with a shit load of money. Any other team spend that kind of money and cannot even guarantee 7th at this point in the season the manager would be run out of town. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 To be honest we want them to keep believing in Kenny. Keep's them wasting millions and failing to go up the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I had to laugh when it said that Suarez wriggles away from defenders better than anyone in world football. It really is staggeringly blinkered to think that, let alone publish it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 To be honest we want them to keep believing in Kenny. Keep's them wasting millions and failing to go up the table. No. We want him broken. We want the club reeling into freefall with some new sacrificial lamb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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