The Liverpool Thread

[Mole_Toonfan]

Not a chance in hell of that happening

[Dokko]

This has come from fans on twitter wanting Klopp. Don't forget how important Liverpool fans think they are, it's nothing more than a paper taken advantage to put pressure on a manager.

 

He'll replace Wenger if anything.

[TaylorJ_01]

Noooooo!

 

Christ.

 

Edit: TT - good, can handle Klopp going to Arsenal.

[KaKa]

Not a chance in hell of that happening

 

Pardew has just won 5 straight premier league games to see us temporarily into fourth place.

 

I'm pretty sure we are in hell, and so this may very well be happening.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Klopp will hold on for Arsenal imo

[aussiemag]

Klopp will hold on for Arsenal imo

 

They've got a far better squad, imo.

[Dokko]

Klopp will hold on for Arsenal imo

 

They've got a far better squad, imo.

 

And stadium, and location, and bank balance. No contest really.

[Trumpet]

Should be 3-0.

 

He's hanging himself. 2 weeks of international break to get back to the basics, drop under-performing players, change the game plan that is clearly not working...and then the same s*** is served up.

 

Lovren continues to make Steven Taylor look as good as prime Nesta, Skrtel is being shown up now that he isn't scoring goals, Johnson is perhaps the worst fullback in the league, and less said about Gerrard the better. Mentally f***ed after last season and his "quarter back" role is useless with static strikers like Lambert or Balotelli. It's ridiculous that the manager of the team has his captain as the landlord and lives at his place. It defies belief.

 

And now he's entered the "blaming young players" route, while the worst players are actually the senior ones. Afraid for him, but I don't think he has a lot of games to save himself and he himself isn't helping the situation.

 

He's gone full Pardew.  (To be fair to him, he did accept blame for the loss unlike Alan).

 

Do you honestly think his job is under threat? I'm surprised to hear that.

 

He has a lot of credit in his bank after last season, but he's is using it all way too quickly.

This is how I see it mate. He came in with a 180 dossier plan of death by football and tiki-taka. It wasn't working nicely in his first 6 months, but at least there was some pattern of play and you could see what he's working towards. January comes and Sturridge/Coutinho arrive, he moves away from his original plan and results improve.

Second season, both Suarez and Sturridge start on fire and make it impossible to drop either (In latter half of his first season, in some games Sturridge was benched), hence making his 4-3-3 redundant, and we switch to varieties of diamond. Playing on the counter, with quick transitions. The exact opposite of his "philosophy"...and go a slip away from the title.

 

Then Suarez leaves and he is in a very strong position with a lot of cash, and decides to go back to his original plan of death by football. And despite its ineffectiveness being clearly on the show 2 years ago, he's refusing to accept it and alter it now. Those useless 2 yard passes Lovren and Skrtel play to each other is so reminiscent of "We won the passing" jokes from 2 years ago.

 

It's a result based business and he needs it to improve thick and fast. Owners didn't hesitate to sack Dalglish after nearly winning a domestic cup double due to league form being shit. This is Brendan's 3rd season in charge and after ra huge spending spree, a loss in Sofia on Wednesday will make it the first time the club has lot 5 in a row since 1953. I know journos and papers have come out today saying his job is totally safe, but I don't buy it. Even if you read the official website forums or RAWK, the tones are different now compared to 3 weeks ago when we lost to you guys.

Match-going away fans didn't even bother singing YNWA yesterday and from someone who was there at pubs nearby Selhurst Park, there is a lot of doubt creeping in among local fan base and it's always a poisoned chalice when it happens.

 

We've gotten 8 points from 9 games since Sturridge got injured, scored 9 goals in that time (3rd lowest in the league), and it's proper relegation stuff. There are 2 must win CL games and 3 games against lower half PL opposition in the next 2 weeks prior to a double header with Man Utd and Arsenal with COC quarter final sandwiched between them. He needs some big wins before that. He really does. I hope he pulls his head out of the sand and stops with playing his favourites.

 

It's absurd like. When he first came, he was fearless. He started Suso/Sterling who were both 17 at Goodison derby, he was making changes after half hour if things weren't changing. Last season, he was changing and chopping formation during the game to adopt...flexibility and fearlessness was his thing. I don't know what's happened in summer, but now he's completely stubborn. Doesn't play players on merit, and look stuck and clueless

 

Going by some stuff Carragher was saying on Sky last night (And I'm sure he has very close contact within the club) and him battering the lack of leadership in the team (When his best mate is the captain), I think there is something wrong behind the scenes. Time will tell of course.

[aussiemag]

Klopp will hold on for Arsenal imo

 

They've got a far better squad, imo.

 

And stadium, and location, and bank balance. No contest really.

 

Also very true. With a couple of key signings down the spine of the side and a change in mentality that someone like Klopp could bring, Arsenal could bridge that gap on Chelsea next season.

[KaKa]

Everyone's convinced themselves Wenger is out tomorrow 

[Neil]

The sooner they drop Gerrard, the better.

 

The better for them, anyway.

 

Keep him in, please.

[Trumpet]

^ Wenger will stay and pull of a top 4 finish just like he always does. It's such a predictable thing

 

Also...I know everyone here (probably understandably) hates Suarez...but what a fucking guy he is. Forget him as a footballer, he was the true captain of the team. Leading by example with full 100% effort and demanding every one of his team mates to do the same. His loss is a lot bigger than just on the pitch....Starting to come in terms with it and realize it. One of the most special players that football has ever seen. combination of Commitment of Saylor/Roy Keane + Skill set of Messi-lite.

[Klaus]

Gerrard looked like a spent force yesterday. Entire game just passed him by and he barely seemed to break a sweat.

[Trumpet]

The sooner they drop Gerrard, the better.

 

The better for them, anyway.

 

Keep him in, please.

 

It's effectively like playing with 10 men. Yesterday, AWAY AT PALACE...at a position demanding to protect the defense. He made zero tackles or interception. ZERO. And yet he stays on, while the brightest midfielder in the team, Allen, gets taken off.

 

Genuinely think he has nudes of Rodgers, or Rodgers is afraid his rent will go up if he touches him. I know pressure usually gets to people's head, but surely he can see something everyone and their dog can see as well? Warnock/Pardew/Allardyce/etc have all beaten him by targeting Gerrard. It's so easy these days.

[Neil]

Let's be honest, he's been finished for a while now in terms of being an important player in a "top 4" side. They're living in the past (no surprises there...) by refusing to drop him. Pure sentiment keeping him there.

 

He's saved by the odd game he bothers to give a shit and is given carte blanche protection from the media. More often than not it's a boost for the opposition when they see his name in the line-up.

[Neil]

GC, beyond being labelled as you "doing a Spurs", do you think the likes of Markovic and Can will succeed in your team?

 

Also please for your own sake drop Johnson. An embarrassment of a defender.

[themanupstairs]

Let's be honest, he's been finished for a while now in terms of being an important player in a "top 4" side. They're living in the past (no surprises there...) by refusing to drop him. Pure sentiment keeping him there.

 

He's saved by the odd game he bothers to give a s*** and is given carte blanche protection from the media. More often than not it's a boost for the opposition when they see his name in the line-up.

 

England would have gone to the next round in the World Cup if special captain fantabulous Gerard hadn't stunk up the place. He also has no personality whatsoever to go along with his rapidly declining footballing importance. Massive dig from Carragher saying there were "no men" out on the pitch yesterday.

[Trumpet]

GC, beyond being labelled as you "doing a Spurs", do you think the likes of Markovic and Can will succeed in your team?

 

Also please for your own sake drop Johnson. An embarrassment of a defender.

 

I wish we were doing a Spurs. Spurs finished 3 points less than they did the season with Bale. We are doing far worse than "doing a Spurs". Poor Spurs get a bad reputation, but 69 points was actually a respectable tally.

 

I don't know about Markovic and haven't seen enough of him to make any judgment, but I like Can and the Spanish fullbacks. That's all. Lallana is a handy player too, though over-priced.

 

Lovren though man....I don't think I've ever actively hated a Liverpool player so much. It's approaching El-Hadj Diouf stage. The cunt wouldn't shut up about his wish to captain the side...He's pound for pound the worst signing I've seen us make. A LOT worse than Carroll. And i'm deadly serious.

 

Wish Rodgers had Rafa's balls to admit his mistake and get rid of this clown in January (like Rafa did with Keane). Worst thing is the snide instagram photos and comments of his wife everyone he doesn't play (either for Liverpool or Croatia). They are still laughing at him in Lyon.

 

 

Speaking of Johnson, watch his commitment to the cause (With some weekly Lovren comedy added) here. On that second goal

 

(Are Vines allowed here) ??

[Trumpet]

Some nice stats from the league table since Sturridge been injured ( 9 games now)

 

- Only Burnley, Leicester, and Villa have scored less than LFC

 

- Only Hull, QPR, and Villa have gotten less points than LFC

 

- Only Burnley, Villa, QPR, and Sunderland (8 in one game) have conceded more goals than LFC

 

- Only QPR and Villa have LOST more games than LFC

 

- No team has had less clean sheets than LFC

 

** This could potentially be worse if Villa win tonight. With Sturridge out til 2015 and 8 league games between them, relegation zone beckons by Christmas, unless Rodgers wakes up and drops his favourites and changes his approach.

[54]

I know it will never happen, but the thought of Liverpool getting relegated

[Trumpet]

Let's be honest, he's been finished for a while now in terms of being an important player in a "top 4" side. They're living in the past (no surprises there...) by refusing to drop him. Pure sentiment keeping him there.

 

He's saved by the odd game he bothers to give a s*** and is given carte blanche protection from the media. More often than not it's a boost for the opposition when they see his name in the line-up.

 

England would have gone to the next round in the World Cup if special captain fantabulous Gerard hadn't stunk up the place. He also has no personality whatsoever to go along with his rapidly declining footballing importance. Massive dig from Carragher saying there were "no men" out on the pitch yesterday.

 

I know it's fashionable and good time to say stuff like that, but let's not re-write history. England were utterly awful in every single sense and position at the WC and got exactly what they deserved. They would have gone out even without that Gerrard assist to Suarez.

[Dokko]

Let's be honest, he's been finished for a while now in terms of being an important player in a "top 4" side. They're living in the past (no surprises there...) by refusing to drop him. Pure sentiment keeping him there.

 

He's saved by the odd game he bothers to give a s*** and is given carte blanche protection from the media. More often than not it's a boost for the opposition when they see his name in the line-up.

 

England would have gone to the next round in the World Cup if special captain fantabulous Gerard hadn't stunk up the place. He also has no personality whatsoever to go along with his rapidly declining footballing importance. Massive dig from Carragher saying there were "no men" out on the pitch yesterday.

 

I know it's fashionable and good time to say stuff like that, but let's not re-write history. England were utterly awful in every single sense and position at the WC and got exactly what they deserved. They would have gone out even without that Gerrard assist to Suarez.

 

Not at all. Gerrard was captain and his no show after mentally crumbling and throwing the title away was a huge factor to why England didn't turn up. It's still haunting him now. Every wayward pass sees him grimacing in pain as he has flashbacks to that moment. I've heard he can't even look at a sheep without breaking down in tears.

 

Not sure what Woy could have done mind, such a huge relief to him I'm sure when he retired.

[mrmojorisin75]

Rodgers has backed himself into a corner with Gerrard really, he's talked him up so much he can't drop him now without looking like an idiot and incurring the wrath of a 'club legend' behind the scenes.

 

He must be praying Gerrard gets injured to take the decision away from him.

 

It'll define Rodgers imo, if he has the bottle to drop him now and start getting results then he'll get a lot of respect and more time but if he just keeps Pardewing it then he's done.

[triggs]

Rodgers has backed himself into a corner with Gerrard really, he's talked him up so much he can't drop him now without looking like an idiot and incurring the wrath of a 'club legend' behind the scenes.

 

He must be praying Gerrard gets injured to take the decision away from him.

 

It'll define Rodgers imo, if he has the bottle to drop him now and start getting results then he'll get a lot of respect and more time but if he just keeps Pardewing it then he's done.

There's no guarantee that dropping Gerrard will allow them to start winning games. He is a problem but not the only big problem they have

[mrmojorisin75]

Rodgers has backed himself into a corner with Gerrard really, he's talked him up so much he can't drop him now without looking like an idiot and incurring the wrath of a 'club legend' behind the scenes.

 

He must be praying Gerrard gets injured to take the decision away from him.

 

It'll define Rodgers imo, if he has the bottle to drop him now and start getting results then he'll get a lot of respect and more time but if he just keeps Pardewing it then he's done.

There's no guarantee that dropping Gerrard will allow them to start winning games. He is a problem but not the only big problem they have

 

Of course there's no guarantee but imo it would be a major step in the right direction. It's all very Pardew-esque tbh and look what happened to him once injuries allowed, or in his case forced, him to change it.