Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/112747781.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892140FEB0FF7845C57D03AC14795084D5A8FFBE976370323D6BF8E2B727DC28DA64E30A760B0D811297 But can they throw him as high as this? http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xr/112741291.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=3&d=77BFBA49EF87892140FEB0FF7845C57DD7F29906CFEBB334FFBE976370323D6BD22F9A312FC38D334C1BFF51A650EDCC Will find out on May 28th. Jose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Nobody's dismissing his achievements, he's a world class manager. His achievements at Inter and Porto in particular are outstanding. I'd just like to see him try with a weaker club (I don't class Porto as a weak club, they're a VERY well run club who had some spectacular players at the time), but I think his own arrogance would prevent it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Winning the Champions League with Inter was a great achievement, but they were winning Serie A year after year before he came along so again, nothing out of the ordinary re: domestic success. Not even getting to a Champions League final with Chelsea has to go down as a failure though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Only their first European cup win since the 60s. Nothing out of the ordinary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76SXIdhiXBc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Why should he try with a weaker club though? hes worked his way up in managment thats the way it goes, not like hes got anything to prove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Maybe Messi should move to Port Vale and prove himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Maybe Messi should move to Port Vale and prove himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Maybe Messi should move to Port Vale and prove himself? It's not that though, you miss the point. He's a world class manager and one of the best around. But he's not god like some people make him out to be. It's not like he beat Barcelona with Alan Smith and James Perch. There are other factors bar him that has contributed to his success. Money, deep squads and so on. People are all hysteric he beat Barcelona with a team consiting of CRonaldo, Özil, Di Maria etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamninator Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 His Porto squad was full of quality players, also look at what teams he played in the UEFA Cup. Not like they were impossible teams to beat. I mean a team consisting of half the portuguese national side which reached the final of the Euro Cup isnt exactly bad. Add to that Benni McCarthy, Derlei and Carlos Alberto who were very good players at the time its not like he had a shit team. Also, the Porto team that won the Champions League beat Manchester United, but after that most of the games were clubs of the same reputation as them. It was a weird season with Monaco in the final. That Porto team was a team he built, and it only became half the Portuguese national side when he came along. Deco was an average player until Mourinho came onto the scene. (7 league goals in 3 seasons before scoring 13 in Jose's first season alone), Ferreira, Derlei, Mendes and Valente were all signed from mid table Portuguese clubs, Carvalho was third choice and had spent the past two seasons on loan (and had only made a a single league game for Porto) and his Captain Costa had to be recalled from loan. Alberto, Maniche and McCarthy were all signed by him as well. All those players were no names or names only in Portugal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Not even getting to a Champions League final with Chelsea has to go down as a failure though. Definitely. Jose will probably go back to win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Think you're all underestimating just how good this Barcelona team is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 He's a class manager, I never said he SHOULD step down, I would just personally like to see him do it. Tis all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yeah but you claimed he was too arrogant to do that , hes got every right to manage the clubs which give him the best chance of winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 He's a class manager, I never said he SHOULD step down, I would just personally like to see him do it. Tis all. Only if you seen Newcastle as a step down from Real Madrid, then yes, he should step down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 You're completely and utterly missing the point, VV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 So it's agreed? He steps down immediately and takes over here. I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Obviously the only way he can truly prove himself is to come to Newcastle. EDIT: damnit, Dresden got there first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Now you're all cottoning on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Meh, I wouldn't want him. He can go to Port Vale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Seriously though, I'd just like to see it happen. It's a totally different challenge to managing a big club and it would be interesting to see how he'd cope. (the same way in that it would be interesting how he'd deal with an international job, which is different again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Meh, I wouldn't want him. He can go to Port Vale. This would be equally superb. I'd instantly switch my allegiance. /cbatolinktrollface Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Its Messi whos going to Port Vale haha will agree with you there then Sewelly Jose for the toon ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 His Porto squad was full of quality players, also look at what teams he played in the UEFA Cup. Not like they were impossible teams to beat. I mean a team consisting of half the portuguese national side which reached the final of the Euro Cup isnt exactly bad. Add to that Benni McCarthy, Derlei and Carlos Alberto who were very good players at the time its not like he had a s*** team. Also, the Porto team that won the Champions League beat Manchester United, but after that most of the games were clubs of the same reputation as them. It was a weird season with Monaco in the final. That Porto team was a team he built, and it only became half the Portuguese national side when he came along. Deco was an average player until Mourinho came onto the scene. (7 league goals in 3 seasons before scoring 13 in Jose's first season alone), Ferreira, Derlei, Mendes and Valente were all signed from mid table Portuguese clubs, Carvalho was third choice and had spent the past two seasons on loan (and had only made a a single league game for Porto) and his Captain Costa had to be recalled from loan. Alberto, Maniche and McCarthy were all signed by him as well. All those players were no names or names only in Portugal. Deco wasn't really averaged, and also the 13 goals he scored was during the season when Mourinho signed, Mourinho signed however only in January. Vitor Baia had been injured and had played for Barcelona prior to that and wasn't exactly unkown. Costinha had won Ligue 1 and arrived prior to Mourinho. Carvalho became 3rd choice under Mourinho as he had partnered Jorge Andrade for most of the season before Mourinho came. On the other hand he did build his team, I'll give you that, but he also had the money to do so. The players he signed weren't exactly unknown in Portugal. That said, he's a great manager, but ALL I've been trying to say is that there's an exxageration in terms of praise. Its not exactly like he has ever had a shit team and won stuff with a shit team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Any post-match interviews from Guardiola/Jose about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Kris Commons has 9 goals in 16 games for Celtic. What a pish league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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