Dr Venkman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Once again I find myself in the alternate universe where I watched a HBA performance that looked very average. Kept the ball too long, didnt make the easy pass and looked quite sluggish. Its nice for some to dress this up as carrying out Pardews tactical instructions bla bla bla. Sometimes people should just call a spade a spade. Average performance and possibly revealing how Pardew currently rates him given the subs that were used ahead of him. Except pardew said he was great and did exactly what he told him to do which makes your argument null He did generally keep hold of the ball too long. Pardew isn't going to say he did poorly. The lad needs careful man management, he is still a long way from being ready for regular starts and he looks extremely frustrated to me. He was warming up, looking at Pardew, with Pardew seemingly deliberately looking away from him. May just be me but I get the feeling that there is tension between the two. I think you could be right about the tension thing and this is only going to intensify the longer this situation goes on as it is. Interesting yesterday seeing Pardew big Ba up as "the number 10" in the journal. Those who know Pardews career will have a better idea whether he is a fan of the flair type player like HBA. Pardew to me seems very much defence first, then attack and I just wonder if a player like HBA who may do something great, but may also concede possession, is his type of player. Could be that he sees Ba playing the 10 role off the new striker. I hope HBA does come good because Beardsley type players are a joy to watch. I wouldn't however be shocked if he was gone in the next window or two. you're absolutely desperate for the most talented member of our squad to leave so you can say i told you so, grow up for fucks sake. Grow up says the internet warrior. Give over man no really sure what an internet warrior is, just commenting on having seen you desperately trying to make the most of him not playing in the reserves and over-playing tensions between him and his manager. you take every opportunity you can to predict him leaving or causing a fuss behind the scenes, presumably because he has a reputation of being a difficult character? you're not gaining any internet points for your stunning foresight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fumiste Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 HBA will be on top of his form in 2 month time... Don't expect anything amazing in the next games... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Christmas Tree really showing himself to be a bit of a pleb with some/all of his recent comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 HBA will be on top of his form in 2 month time... Don't expect anything amazing in the next games... Might as well hibernate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 This thread is a fucking joke. From the sounds of it certain people seem to be hoping it doesn't work out for him and he gets sold just so they can say "told you so" Pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Christmas Tree really showing himself to be a bit of a pleb with some/all of his recent comments. Indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I can't understand some of the criticism of CT's posts. I don't think he wants HBA to fail or be sold and if some can't see that HBA has been a bit guilty of hanging onto the ball and losing the ball then they need to get the blinkers off. He won a couple of free kicks yday but was a touch fortunate to get them. He's the most talented player we have, he needs easing into the team and unfortunately for him the way we are set up at the moment doesn't suit how he likes to play. Careful handling is needed. It has been rightly said that Sammy came on in front of HBA as HBA could have left us a bit exposed. From what I've seen he's a No 10 and unless you are prepared to let him do his thing then you may not be able to play him. The fact that he can be difficult just adds to the mix. Don't get me wrong, I think he's fantastic; I was at Goodison when we all saw what he could do and stood almost in disbelief when he put that goal in. This thread is making him a bit like marmite. I don't see that at all, we have a fantastic talent recovering from serious injury at a new club. Let's see how things have gone come the end of the season and by then we'll have a much better idea of what we have on our hands and what Pardew really does think of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and it going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Hasn't he got a history of kicking off though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. He hasn't been any bother at all; you're right there. I said earlier that there may be a bit tension between him and Pardew; he clearly wants game time which is something Pardew can hopefully use in a positive way. I'm looking forward to the day when the lad plays without any self imposed pressure to shine. That's the day when we could tear someone apart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 24 hours later. HBA was good yesterday and with a few little touches, showed he's in a different planet than many of his team-mates. But there will always be people who will prefer "hard workers" to artists, good team disciplined players who give passes to their defence, rather than a "risky" player who is capable to make the difference on his own, always playing in front of him. As Tiresias said, I also felt a tension yesterday between HBA and Pardew. I really hope it's just an impression. Otherwise, even if he prefers to play in the hole and expresses his preference, he cannot refuse to play in the wings and I don't think he will refuse. Yesterday when Marveaux was injuried, we all saw Hatem ready to enter. I think he's so hungry of football that he'd be ok to play anywhere on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 He won a couple of free kicks yday but was a touch fortunate to get them. In the same way that we've been a touch fortunate to go 11 games unbeaten,yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 As Tiresias said, I also felt a tension yesterday between HBA and Pardew. I really hope it's just an impression. Sorry, as Tsunami said etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 There was no tension. It's just the way Ben Arfa is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 "5 more minutes". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Hasn't he got a history of kicking off though? Don't see an answer here but hasen''t Pardew got a history of benching his most skilfull players ? (at least Tevez at West Ham) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Hasn't he got a history of kicking off though? Don't see an answer here but hasen''t Pardew got a history of benching his most skilfull players ? (at least Tevez at West Ham) I think this 'history' runs pretty short and you have basically summed the whole thing up in one post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. Hasn't he got a history of kicking off though? Don't see an answer here but hasen''t Pardew got a history of benching his most skilfull players ? (at least Tevez at West Ham) No he doesn't, the Tevez and Mascherano signing he didn't ask for, he didn't even know that they were signing them, in that undermining his position as manager, so he didn't pick them out of principle at first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 He won a couple of free kicks yday but was a touch fortunate to get them. In the same way that we've been a touch fortunate to go 11 games unbeaten,yeah. You'll need to explain that to me as I'm struggling to compare the two unless you don't think he was fortunate and that you don't think we've had a touch of good fortune to remain unbeaten. If that is the case then you're a nailed on half full glass type of person. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 He won a couple of free kicks yday but was a touch fortunate to get them. In the same way that we've been a touch fortunate to go 11 games unbeaten,yeah. You'll need to explain that to me as I'm struggling to compare the two unless you don't think he was fortunate and that you don't think we've had a touch of good fortune to remain unbeaten. If that is the case then you're a nailed on half full glass type of person. Sorry Tsunami, I generally like your posts but I really don't undrestand how you saw he was fortunate to get those free kicks. He's a player you cannot easily take the ball from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. The problem you have and a few others like you is that you are so blinkered or so keen to follow like sheep, that you struggle to be able to have a sensible conversation about a player. I have said countless times how I hope it all clicks and he is a big success for us, but I can't see the point in blowing smoke up his arse when he hasn't really done anything so far this season. He was pretty average yesterday simple as that. Two other people today mentioned the tension bit and given his previous, the fact he's even down the pecking order on the subs and the fact this is a football chat forum, discussing what may or may not be playing out seems fair game to me. I also didn't say he would probably be sold, I said it wouldn't surprise me. Finally, if random Newcastle fans discussing things to do with the club annoy you, you may be be better logging on to cbeebies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Thats not what is annoying people. It's the fact he's making out things like Ben Arfa is a bad apple and is going to get unhappy being on the bench and is going to kick up a fuss when he has done absolutely nothing so far off the pitch to upset anyone. So all this talk of he will probs get the sold in the next window or so is just needless chat that is just designed to annoy people. the fact he's even down the pecking order on the subs What? Pardew has stated a few times now that Ben Arfa will never play out wide- to quote Pardew he does not have the relish for it. Sammy is a natural wide player. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iheartthetoons Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 All this nonsense of him being sold... pfft. If we sell him, i'll have Cashley's throat and Pardews! Very talented player who's had a massive, sometimes even career-breaking, injury and he's just getting adjusted to the PL again playing under a different manager and a different team. And that's the problem i've been seeing more - I believe Ba and HBA play similar roles, just that HBA is much more skillful then Ba, and Ba is the better allround goalscorer. I actually think Best amd HBA will be a better partnership, as was demonstrated when he came on against Blackburn and HBA set it up for Best on a plate. Best is a poacher, gets into the right positions in which HBA delivers balls too. Granted, Ba and Best have a slightly different partnership but I think when Ba leaves, HBA and Best will flourish and should be how it's deployed. Just a shame Best gets so tired after 60/70 mins, cause it might save Ba's knees a bit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Sammy was brought on ahead of him, likely as he would stay wide and be more disiplined defensively than Ben Arfa, which is what you want when you're 2-0 up. CT probably knows this already though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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