Christmas Tree Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Your all in denial "He doesnt have the relish for playing out wide" - AP Pards has probably begged him to play out wide......Maybe he asked him again at half time and he refused, hence being hauled off Heading for a January exit me thinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Worst poster on the forum now wireside has gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 He's played out wide loads tbh. He has. Did well for Marseille on the wings - would come on and win games... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Seemed comfortable on left or right in addition to that too so we've got no excuses tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 I just wonder if it was part of us convincing him to sign permanently, the promise that we'd play him in his apparently preferred #10 slot centrally. Before he was injured Pardew mentioned a few times about building the side around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 It's strange though because you don't often see a player thrive on the wings if they really don't like playing there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be nice if both Ben Arfa and Pardew are flexible about his position. The situation with the defence has made it more important that our best attacking players are on the pitch and if we can have a front six of Jonas-Guthrie-Cabaye-Ben Arfa-Ba-Shola/Best then you have to hope we've got enough going forward to get results. I don't think Obertan offers Simpson much more protection than Ben Arfa will, so this shouldn't be much of a concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be interested to know whether this "can't play on the wings" thing is really as black and white in the mind of Pardew and HBA as people on here make it out to be. I doubt it TBH, I just think Pardew thinks Obertan and Jonas are competent wingers and HBA operates better centrally. He's probably right IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be interested to know whether this "can't play on the wings" thing is really as black and white in the mind of Pardew and HBA as people on here make it out to be. I doubt it TBH, I just think Pardew thinks Obertan and Jonas are competent wingers and HBA operates better centrally. He's probably right IMO. yeah but remember the way things are taken on here where anything anyone says has to be taken absolutely literally in order to petty pointscore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be interested to know whether this "can't play on the wings" thing is really as black and white in the mind of Pardew and HBA as people on here make it out to be. I doubt it TBH, I just think Pardew thinks Obertan and Jonas are competent wingers and HBA operates better centrally. He's probably right IMO. Yes but the progressive manager's mind has to be more malleable than that , you'll often see some of the best managers change things after 20-30 minutes in a game if something is wrong. I'd rather play a scarecrow on the left wing than McLovin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be interested to know whether this "can't play on the wings" thing is really as black and white in the mind of Pardew and HBA as people on here make it out to be. I doubt it TBH, I just think Pardew thinks Obertan and Jonas are competent wingers and HBA operates better centrally. He's probably right IMO. Yes but the progressive manager's mind has to be more malleable than that , you'll often see some of the best managers change things after 20-30 minutes in a game if something is wrong. I'd rather play a scarecrow on the left wing than McLovin. Quite unbelievable given the performance he put in and chances he created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Lovenkrands was AWOL for long periods, put in a couple of decent ish crosses and played the lovely pass to Ba for the luiz YELLOW card. He spent a large part of the game trying to play through the middle and literally didn't help Raylor at all. He was poor IMO, but I suppose you need to try and justify how great he was because you dislike Jonas so much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 ...and Ben Arfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Would be interested to know whether this "can't play on the wings" thing is really as black and white in the mind of Pardew and HBA as people on here make it out to be. I doubt it TBH, I just think Pardew thinks Obertan and Jonas are competent wingers and HBA operates better centrally. He's probably right IMO. Yes but the progressive manager's mind has to be more malleable than that , you'll often see some of the best managers change things after 20-30 minutes in a game if something is wrong. I'd rather play a scarecrow on the left wing than McLovin. Quite unbelievable given the performance he put in and chances he created. Any decent play from him seemed to be cutting into the centre, Ba did more work down the left than Lovenkrands. He was a liability and the reason Sturridge had such a free run of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 ...and Ben Arfa O no, he offers a fair, balanced view on HBA, we just only praise him all the time because we're fan boys. Didn't you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Lovenkrands was AWOL for long periods, put in a couple of decent ish crosses and played the lovely pass to Ba for the luiz YELLOW card. He spent a large part of the game trying to play through the middle and literally didn't help Raylor at all. He was poor IMO, but I suppose you need to try and justify how great he was because you dislike Jonas so much He created several goal scoring chances and was nearly constantly available out on the wing for cross field passes which he took well. He also had one Ben Arf'esque run in the first 15 minutes or so.... Forget me and Jonas, Lovens provided more threat down the left than we have seen all season. I dont care if its Jonas or Loven or Sammi but we need to attack down the left rather than defences just having to worry about Obertan or humps up the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah, we just need to attack down the left and leave Raylor to fight for himself. He did wonders on marking that Sturridge lad out the game on Saturday and the result was class. Wasn't it you that kept saying how we should stick with our tried and tested formation, tactics and players that got us to 3rd/4th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 ...and Ben Arfa O no, he offers a fair, balanced view on HBA, we just only praise him all the time because we're fan boys. Didn't you know? Some of us are just happy to praise him when he's done it, not before. The length of this thread surely tells you that the over expectation is ridiculous. Ive even been guilty of it myself when he's played lately but so far Im just longing for Best back. Unfortunately, its looking more and more like its not going to happen for him here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Yeah, we just need to attack down the left and leave Raylor to fight for himself. He did wonders on marking that Sturridge lad out the game on Saturday and the result was class. Wasn't it you that kept saying how we should stick with our tried and tested formation, tactics and players that got us to 3rd/4th All the goals came from the right btw not that it would be really fair to blame anyone for the last two goals when we were down to 10 men (and yes I appreciate was still on the pitch, but out of action). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Trolling tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Persistent fucker aren't you. Fail to reply to he last part, you've posted so many wind up posts, you seem to have lost track on what your actual opinion is I suppose we could just let 5-6 chances a game come from our left hand side and just hope Krul has a great game everytime and the opposition players leave their shooting boots at home if we're being pedantic, I'm pretty sure Sturridge cut in from their right hand side, although like you say, why would you even mention the last two goals when we were playing with 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Trolling tbh. Yeah, I don't mind feeding the troll now and then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 it's looking like it's not gonna happen here for him? do you know how many games he's started for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Trolling tbh. Yeah, I don't mind feeding the troll now and then. Yeh but he jumps the shark too quickly this fella. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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